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humans are the only creatures who drink another species’ milk.. and the only ones who continue to consume it into adulthood. cow’s milk is nutritionally formulated to turn a calf into a 2,000 lb (900 kg) cow.
not to say you should or shouldn’t drink it, just something to reflect upon!
thanks for all the creative workouts and inspiration.

Ellen

What a great topic! I don’t know the source of this, but I was listening to a radio show the other day and they had mentioned that women who drink a lot of milk from cows that have been factory farmed with hormones and antibiotics etc.., have significant higher rates of delivering twins..from all the growth hormones that are given to cows I am assuming. That is interesting.

I think there are a lot worse drinks we could be worrying about drinking than milk. Coke/Pepsi with corn syrup, fruit drinks with 0% fruit juice, all those “0 calorie” drinks (what’s exactly in those things anyway?), beers, hard liquor, too much coffee, specialty coffees with whipped cream on top, those horrid “energy” drinks, etc. People drink these all the time without a second thought and I gotta think these are far worse for our bodies than milk.

What’s even better than milk? Water! Just drink lots of water…

Calcium is a must in your diet, I prefer a cold glass of 1% milk…although milk isn’t the only option for calcium. I know plenty of people who get calcium from other places. Infact I have a relative that is raising my nieces and nephews as vegans…and I have to say..their coloring sucks, they went from having beautiful pink skin to looking almost grey-ish. I think we need things in our diet like milk, eggs, cheese, and meat…only in moderation so we don’t turn into 2,000 pound cows. :o)

I’m so glad you decided to discuss this Zuzanna! I actually grew up on a dairy farm, where my family of four went through AT LEAST one 2L carton of fresh milk (probably more than 4%!) a day. Since having moved out, I’ve switched to skim milk for the lower fat content. I’m happy to know my sacrifices were not in vain!
Although, isn’t there something to be said for the amount of protein found in dairy products? I had an old gym teacher who used to say that the best post-training drink was a glass of chocolate milk, for that reason. Though, I suspect he hadn’t looked into protein shakes…:P
Take care,
S.

I live in north america, and I have had terrible acne issues throughout my teenage years and into my twenties. I once had a man come up to me in the grocery store and comment on the gallon of milk I was carrying saying, “You need to stop drinking that milk, nature didn’t intend it for humans it will clear you skin up”.
I was a bit taken back, and I did end up buying the milk anyways. It did make me think though, and I did cut down my intake of milk afterwards. I did not see a difference in breakouts though.
I personally think milk, along with your entire diet should be eaten or drank in moderation :)

I love milk, and I used to drink a glass a day just because I loved it so much, now I dont drink milk as often but I still love it! My mom is 46, with type one juvenile diabetes, she recently went to the doctor and he told her she had super strong bones. She used to drink milk all the time when she was younger and now it has shown to improve her bone density, which most women her age lack strong bones. The doctor was happy she drank milk regularly as a child and encouraged her children to do so as well.

Just a little story on behalf of my milk experiences! Great article! Funny enough I clicked on your blog and I had a glass of milk in my hands lol.

Danielle ;)

I try to stick to a vegan diet as much as possible and I agree with the statement that cows milk is meant for a calf! I think its gross (if you really think about it) to drink another species’ milk, eww! For me, a vegan diet makes the most sense ethically, and also in terms of health. I have researched this topic a lot and wish I could better explain it myself… but all I can say is that if there is anyone out there curious about the vegan lifestyle, check out the dvd called Eating. It is very informative and in my opinion non bias…changed my thinking on the subject completely!

Growing up my family had a dairy farm as well…small less than 100 head. But milk was a huge part of my childhood. Raw milk that is, which I have to say was probably why I thought store bought milk tasted funny and thin when I had to drink it. Fast forward to the present. I realized one day that the only reason why I drink milk anymore is over cereal. When I started to eat a Paleo style diet and ceased eating all grains I am now only consuming about 8oz of milk every week or so. I drink black coffee but occasionally will indulge in a bit of milk in my tea or chai. I realized that milk is not really a necessity and then in turn learned through researching, that the calcium that is found in green veggies is more bio-available than the calcium found in milk anyway. As for Vit D…a little time outside in the daylight and fatty fish like salmon takes care of that really.

I can’t drink cow’s milk because I’m lactose intolerant. But, I can drink goat’s milk because there’s hardly any lactose in it, plus it’s far better for our digestion and provides a more appropriate nutrient ratio for us (it’s closer to our own mother’s milk than cow’s milk).

I get it from a local family with awesome goats. It’s raw milk, not pasteurized, and I’ll make kefir or yogurt out of it. I find that it doesn’t give me a bunch of mucus that way. (I hate that dairy does that :P)

Though, my main drink is water, and I’ll use rice or almond milk more often than goat dairy.

I was discussing my issue with my doctor…about how I try so hard and I don’t loose any weight and as soon as I stop watching my diet closely, I end up gaining about 5 pounds in a week! And I have never been able to change that! and it is sooo frustrating and discouraging. She told me to try a gluten free diet for a week and a dairy free diet another week to see if they are the cause. I struggled with the gluten free week, but I somehow managed to make it thru the week but I have been trying so hard to have one week without any dairy but I just can’t do it! At the end of the day, I end up having some dairy product! and every day is then my “day 1″ for no dairy.

so yeah, it’s really hard to have no milk if dairy is a daily thing for you.

also, i think my previous comment from a while ago didnt get posted.

i just wanted to share a site with you: chefinyou.com

this girl is so good and she tries to make the healthier version of a lot of foods and since she’s indian, she also does a lot of indian foods (the healthy way)! i think you’ll like her website.

I never drank milk as an infant,child,teen,or adult. As an infant my parents often couldn’t afford milk so we were given tea! As a child at age 5 or 6 I refused to drink milk because to me it smelled like blood; I didn’t even like ice cream back then till as a teenager I found nonfat ice cream;at least it didn’t smell like blood. Now, as a much older adult I have tried and so far,like the taste of LACTAID milk, which I sometimes mix with coconut milk, to eat with honey nut cheerios. My husband was stunned when he realized that all this time I was eating my cheerios with water or tea. That’s how we ate the corn flakes when I was a child. I don’t drink the LACTAID milk often, about once every three months I’ll buy it. I am very suspicious of the growth hormones and other chemicals given to cows (which is ONE of the reasons I especially don’t eat red meat.).

Hey Zuzana,

How cool this post on milk. I just had this chat with some friends today. As an African woman I, like probably most if not all people of African descent, am lactose intolerant. Just how intolerant one is, depends really on how the body reacts to it.

My body has as it turns out been protesting against milk since I was a little baby. I and my sibling all had colics as little babies, because my mother was consuming dairy and it was getting to us through her breast milk. She only figured this out when she had her las child. I was the first, so I was a bit of a guinea pig.

I grew up drinking powder milk (Nido), probably one glass a day (the milk was also used to bake and later on (when Angola stopped being communist) we added cheese to our diet. All i know is that my skin became an absolute nightmare. I could not understand why it is that I kept on getting pimples on my face and my back.

This went on for years and as I grew older my dairy intolerance became worst. It started giving me cramps and a slimy throat.

I am 33 years old and up until a year ago I was still going through phases of having a clear skin followed by break outs. Nothing more frustrating I can assure you. I tried soooo many creams. If i had kept all that money I swear I’d be getting myself a whole new wardrobe (yeah, I love bags and shoes) *grin*

I went to an alternative doctor who told me to quit the milk all together. I did and it was a challenge. But guess what? No more bad skin, no more belly aches and no more slimy throat.

So yeah for me milk is a no, no. Sometimes it happens that something at a restaurant had something of milk and bingo, my belly complains a few minutes after I have eaten it. My skin goes crazy for a few days.

I know some people cannot live without milk. Personally I stay clear from anything connected to cows. I was put off by it when the whole mad cow disease and have since stayed clear. I despise the meat industry and the way they treat the animals, slaughter them and dispose of them as if they were pieces of fruit.

My issues with cow’s meat go even further as I became aware that non organic cow meat is often filled with residues of antibiotics and all sorts of nastiness. If the meat has antibiotics, then I am sure so does the milk. But then again, I guess this isn’t an issue if you chose to buy organic.

I guess it is really up to each and every one whether they do drink milk or not. All i can suggest is if you have skin problems, quit the dairy, and by that I mean cakes (unless you bake them with other Oat, almond, soy or rice milk), yoghurt (yes yoghurt ruins my skin too) and food with preservatives. I did that I a am a whole new person.

We are the only species that drinks other animals milk. It is not healthy or natural. Yes we need calcium but you can get more calcium mass for mass from green leafy vegetables than you can from milk. And the truth is that even though soda and energy drinks are not healthy they do not have half of the poisons, toxins, and growth hormones in them that milk does. And the next time you are prescribed antibiotics and wonder why they are not helping you…blame it on all of the antibiotics you have been drinking in your milk and eating in your meat.

YES, I agree, we need to just learn how to moderate things, all things, food (including milk), etc. Totally cutting anything out doesn’t always have to be the answer. Most importantly, like someone above said, you have to think about Calcium, and for other foods you have to think about other vitamins and minerals. So unless you are a bio-something who can carefully map out each meal, moderation is the key. Additionally, supplements have to combine with other substances and enzymes to get into your system on most occasions-it’s called bioavailability. Otherwise all the pills you pop, many times, will just go out in your pee or poop, leaving your body without even saying hello to your circulatory system. Oh, and I love milk, lactaid non-fat. Mix it with a small amount of chocolate or strawberry syrup as a snack.

well honestly I hate milk,unless maybe if itls chocolate milk. I think the only reason it’s in my fridge is because it’s a nessesitty(hope I speelled tht right)for baking and cooking,because everything we eat ishomemade.but I started drinking soymilk cuz I knew tht I neededthe calcium(soymilk has the same percentage of calium as milk does)and I really like the vanilla taste.plus it has les calories and fat than milk too :) so if you really want to drink less cows milk I would recommend soymilk! But it probly be a waste of money to bake with itcuz it’s a little more expensive than milk.great articles zuzana :) -d

Unfortunatley, I cannot drink milk because I am slightly lactose intollerant and it really makes me bloated and have gas :p but I do drink Soy Milk which is just a good as (if not better then) regualar milk.
It has as much nutritional value and as much calcium and protien in it as regular milk does… and unlike cow’s milk, soy milk has little saturated fat and no cholesterol.
I love the soy milk from Silk brand and they come in vanilla, chocolate and regualar flavors and they also have a Lite version that has reduced fat and less sodium.
If you are looking for a healthy alternative to milk I definatley recommend Silk Soy Milk.
Soy ice cream is really good to :)

Great topic, one that I actually know a LOT about. I grew up on a dairy farm and I am earning a degree in Dairy Science (as well as one in biology). Like the post above me states, milk contains a great deal of protein, and is second only to eggs in percent absorbable protein (eggs around 96% and milk at 90%). Milk also provides a great deal of calcium, vitamin D, and other vitamins essential in our diet. It is true that milk is not necessary in our diet, it has been proven time and time again in numerous studies that individuals who drink milk on a regular basis are fitter and in better health than those who live similar lifestyles and have a similar diet. Another more recent study was done putting whole milk and cheese as the top two foods for weight loss in men. This may sound wrong if you don’t know the topic, but I assure you if you google dairy and weight loss you will find reliable sources stating the same thing.
Also just as the previous post states, it has been proven that the absolute BEST drink following workouts is chocolate milk. Full fat milk is certainly not required, one or two percent is ideal as protein is absorbed more efficiently if consumed with some fat. The reason chocolate milk works so well is because it contains the most ideal concentrations of sugars, proteins, vitamins, and minerals for replenishing the stores lost from the body during a workout.
People like to dispute these claims, they like to blaim the fat content of dairy products for their body problems when the real problem is the inactive lifestyle they lead. No matter what you eat, if you are sedentary your entire life you will never be fit.
I follow your workouts and I also practice at least one hour or more of judo per day (a fantastic workout as well) and I go through at least two sometimes three gallons of skim milk per week just by myself, and I am in great shape.
Ok, that covered, onto organic milk. Studies have proven that the chemical composition of organic milk is NO different than non-organic milk, so if you are spending an extra two or three dollars per gallon on organic milk over non-organic, it is a waste of money because you are not getting a product that is any different. The difference comes in how the cows are taken care of. On an organic dairy farm cows can never recieve treatment with antibiotics, vitamins, any kind of hormones natural or sythetic (such as BST or oxytocin), or be fed anything that has ever come in contact with pesticides, fertilizers, or anything of that nature.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with wanting to run this kind of farm, but it is extremely costly. For instance, if a cow gets sick and needs anitbiotics to save it’s life, you either give the cow antibiotics and immediately remove her from the herd, or leave it to chance and she may get better or she may die. All this trouble to obtain a product that is no different than one where these measures were not taken.
I know a lot about this topic so if you want to know more or would like some additional sources on the topic I would be happy to oblige.
Also Zuzana, you totally rock and I love you website and your workouts :)

Regards,
Christina

Hey Z and F,

I’ve been waiting for you guys to write about dairy for a while. I have to say, I’m really surprised by what you guys wrote about low fat milk, especially since you’re such Michael Pollan fans :)

It’s from Michael that I learned how skim/fat free/low fat milk is really made, which is: after the fat is taken out, powdered milk is put BACK into the milk, which adds oxidized cholesterol. Bad bad bad.

Getting really deep into it, after we stop suckling on our mother’s bosoms, our bodies no longer produce the enzyme that digests milk properly, so in short – milk is completely unnecessary and most importantly, it does NOT do a body good at all.

I have a friend who swore off dairy completely a few years ago and he follows his motto of “dairy is poison”. We make fun of him now for saying that, but the point is for him, dairy is just unacceptable.

I try not to eat dairy like I used to, it’s a pollutant, but I definitely have not eliminated it from my diet.

As for organic, I don’t really care about that, what I care about is that milk comes from cows that are grass fed and are not on feeding programs.

Thank you for bringing up this discussion.
Since watching the documentary “Food Incorporated” my attitude to food has changed a lot. Moreover, it motivated me to go to green raw food diet that I found out couple months ago.
I am not a big milk drinker and I would prefer to drink skim or soy milk sometimes :)
I did lots of research on eating raw food and I discovered many valuable things about how diet is important for our lifestyle including eating dairy products.

P.S. Zuzana & Frederick, you guys are awesome and very inspiring for me.

I don’t think it took my comment the first time. The closest thing I can get to raw milk in my area is nonhomogenized from a grass fed cow, still pasteurized (“VAT” which is at a lower temperature and for longer time). I’m glad to have found that even b/c at least I can track that down to a farm, which I’ve called. I feel better about that. However, I have sinus problems so since milk is a big cause of sticky mucus, I have to watch it. That’s easy b/c I cut the coffee a month ago. I’ve been getting into kefir lately, mostly b/c the probiotics, and haven’t had sinus problems, but maybe I don’t use enough of it to see the problems. It’s good in smoothies or on top of oats or shredded wheat with berries and walnuts. I’m also reading that book, the Omnivore’s Dilemma, now. Thanks for recommending it

I have been doing research about “wheat grass benefits”.
I found out very very interesting and fascinating things about this incredible herb.
What do you think about it Zuzana?

I think Milk is beneficial as it can actually protect from poor health and fight against many diseases.So its not a good idea to cut out the dairy product . One of the biggest concern was my health..and i was not properly fit and had many problems so doctor suggested me to change my eating habits and also to take dairy products atleast 3 times a day .Earlier i was not at all a milk drinker but then i made my mind to become fit n strong from inside as well as outside … since i have to be fit like you and also look good ..:),i drink milk 3 times a day and always drink a glass of milk before going to sleep.If sometimes i miss it then i ‘ll not get a proper sleep..:)

http://www.youtube.com/user/armanddarke#p/u/8/tYpafipJyDE

Hello, I’m from N.Y. I watched this vid a few months ago and I was never a huge milk drinker before but now I stay away completely.

I started fasting from certain foods particularly animal based protein last june due to some health concerns.

Since fasting 21 days at a time from all processed food, dairy,meat,caffeine I have seen a drastic change in my health and energy.

I eat a primarily pescatarian/ vegan diet depending on the day.

Did my own research and most dark leafy greens far out way calcium benefits of milk.

Just another illusion they use to poison us slowly on something we stopped drinking after infancy. That’s why they use celebs to push it.

Do you see grown cows chugging down human breast milk?

Big AG and Pharma have a lot more to benefit from milk than we do.

Been watching your vids a few weeks now and I love the simplicity of just using what’s around my place to do your work outs.

I mix and match from your vids but I can already see a difference.

I love simple! God bless..

This is an interesting topic, and I’m so glad you brought it up for discussion. Like so many North American’s, I grew up on tall, cold glasses of milk with my meals, milk on my cereal every morning, etc. However, my experience with milk was a little different in that I grew up in the country and we had our own dairy cow. We had fresh milk every day, and even though the milk was strained for impurities, many people wouldn’t drink it because it hadn’t been pasteurized. They just didn’t believe that it was ‘safe.’

We don’t have a milk cow any more, and the only milk I can tolerate now is that little bit I use in my coffee. I have never been able to drink milk from the store, and I take supplements for my calcium. It’s a matter of preference, but there really is just something about the wholesomeness of whole milk. The real stuff. The kind that you have to scoop the cream off the top before serving.

But like you stated, the calories and nutrients contained in milk are surprising (calves grow big and fast on the stuff) and I think milk should be drank in moderation, however there are worse things. I too am not sure Organic is the road to take, but I like the idea of getting away from dangerous antibiotics and growth hormones. But the fundamentals for me are, if you’re going to eat it – eat it in it’s most natural form the way it was intended. Just watch your portions.

The answer is both yes and no…

No… if the cows are feed pesticide, lavacide, fungicide, herbicide, suicide, generically modified grains, corn and soy or even worse other dead cows (that’s what caused mad cow disease).

No…if the cows are given growth hormones and antibiotics (on almost a daily bases).

No… if the milk is homogenized and pasteurized (denaturing all the enzymes, fats and proteins) and killing all of the beneficial bacteria.

No… if the milk is allergic, mucus forming, acid forming, vitamin and mineral depleted, puss filled, blood filled, and put in a plastic container.

Yes… if the cows are organic pasture grass fed like nature intended.

Yes… if the cows are not given growth hormones or antibiotics

Yes… if the milk is whole NOT processed, NOT homogenized, NOT pasteurized, or NOT adulterated in anyway shape or form.

Yes… if the milk is alkaline forming, fulled with vitamins and minerals and bottled in glass.

Furthermore,

Goats milk is closer to humans milk than cows milk.
Goats milk digests in 20 minutes vs 4 hours for cows milk.
Goats milk naturally has small fat globules and therefore the healthy beneficial fats are digested easier than cows milk.
Goats milk has more vitamins and minerals than cows milk.
Goats milk is less allergenic than cows milk. (Even though most people aren’t allergic to raw cows milk)
More people by far in the world drink goats milk compared to cows milk.

Conclusion

Milk naturally is a whole perfect food… a gift of pure LOVE to the body from mother nature. The product man has created out of greed for mass production is… while… lets just say, “other than the best ever”.

Are we meant to drink milk… well cultures all over the world have been for thousands of years… some of the healthiest studied cultures in the world do and have drank (real raw whole milk that is).

Since we are omnivores there will always be debate…

Have the best day ever and don’t listen to what anyone else tells you… do your own research and decide for yourself!

Hopefully you watch these eye opening videos…

Love all! We are all one!

-Isaac

The Whole Truth about Milk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr5pl6lgjJ8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHcyAH0rOPE&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKxnPfwdWB8&feature=related

Dr. Weston A Price
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPCOGSnjP5w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzhnvvo0Tk0&feature=related

-Isaac

P.S. I also eat 75-%80 Raw diet now and it has done wonders.

I gave up milk years ago and have been much healthier without it. I recommend reading “The China Study”: http://www.thechinastudy.com/

what about soymilk?

Hey Shaina,

Are you from Canada? I’m asking because I went to McMaster University where a study on the benefits of drinking chocolate milk after weight lifting for muscle gain was published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. As a varsity athlete at MAC they always told us to drink chocolate milk after our workouts (maybe to support their researchers.lol).

My personal opinion after reading on the subject is it’s more important to restore the right amount of carbohydrate and protein stores within 15 minutes (so they say) after working out. While chocolate milk may be the fastest and most convenient way for most people to ‘feed’ their muscles, this doesn’t mean chocolate milk is our only option. Sometimes I wonder if the study was sponsored by a Canadian milk company. Lol.

Ashley

Hi! Great topic. I wanted to ask you a question. I saw some of your old workouts and although you looked great, now you look so much better. Your abs and your arms are much more defined. Is it because you are not using free wights as much or at all anymore? Also, maybe because your diet changed? and I’m sure the consistency of working out helped the definition. Could you please elaborate. I am in great shape right now. I’m a dancer and I do have the definition but not as much as I would like. My diet consist of fruits and veggies and my portions are small. I would like to get a more toned body. What would you recommend? Thank you. I look forward to your answer.

Raw milk is best. Unpasteurized milk has been consumed forever. Raw milk contains the essential nutrients and enzymes that keep us healthy. Everyone is afraid of getting sick from it (a modern myth) but everyone drank raw milk long ago and it didn’t wipe out the population…think about it.

Actually, goats milk is supposed to be the healthiest. If, for whatever reason, a woman cannot or is unable to breast feed, goats milk is the preferred “go to”. It is great for those who are lactose intolerant, also.

The important factor to remember for good nutrition is a wide variety and diversity.

There are foods that contain much more calcium and vitamin D than milk so, remember…variety and knowledge is the key. Considering that we, as humans, are omnivores, diversity only makes sense.

I grew up on a farm where I had to milk the Jersey cow every morning and drank milk until we lost our farm and had to move.
Our milk did not have any chemicals added to the cow by grains or hormones. The cow only ate grass from our 400 acre farm and drank water that came up from the multiple springs on the property,,,,,No homogenization ,,,no pasteurization.
Now I do not have the luxury of having that fresh milk and it was really hard to stop drinking milk because I was so hooked on the stuff.

Yes the milk grows calves that way 10 times a man or woman and the milkfat content is made for cows not people.

So as far as I am concerned, the only milk that I now drink is human breast milk,
Preferably straight from the source,,,”) ha!

Zuz,,what’s that on your chin?

There seems to be a lot of talk about cows milk and low fat milk, but what about rice milk??? is rice milk just as good???

Question: How much milk should we drink?
Answer: As long as it’s the RIGHT kind of milk… as much as you want… the more the healthier!

Question: Should we stick to skim milk?
Answer: Skim milk has the least health benefits… all the HEALTHY FATS have been removed… in our culture we are paranoid about fat consumption… 60% of our brains are made of fat… every one of our cell membranes are made out of fat… by removing the fats you loss all the healthy fat soluble vitamins A,D,E and K (our culture is greatly lacking) as well as all the healthy omega 3′s.

Side note… if a cow is grass fed it will have a better ratio of omega 3′s to 6′s (more omega 3′s) but if it is grain fed it will have the opposite (more omega 6′s).

The average person in our culture has 20 times the amount of omega 6′s in there diet… we should have a ratio of (1 to 3) not (1 to 20).

Question: Should we drink organic milk?
Answer: We should not only drink organic milk but we should drink grass fed, unprocessed, whole, unpasteurized, unhomogenized milk raw milk. There are so many scientific reasons for this… I can’t list them all hear.

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any futher questions…

As with most things its all about moderation and just like anything unhealthy too much of so called healthy foods can be bad too. I’ve recently been watching a programme about dieting and the food industry and its amazing to see how manufacturers and supermarkets are exploiting the consumers. It also highlighted how much mindless eating we do without realising and I was so shocked to hear that a measly stingy 9 pringles and 12 haribos clock up an outstanding 200 cals. It also follows a group of women who are aiming to drop a dress size by going on a strict 1200 cal diet but at the end of the day
the moral of the story is that unless we take responsibility for what we eat and the food choices we make there is no secret or magic formula out there Im posting you the link and hope you have time to check it out

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/my-big-fat-diet-show/4od#3019322

Sorry, I never got to put in my opinion if we should drink milk…

My answer is both yes and no…

No… if the cows are feed pesticide, lavacide, fungicide, herbicide, suicide, generically modified grains, corn and soy or worse other dead cows (that’s what caused mad cow disease).
No…if the cows are given growth hormones and antibiotics (on almost a daily bases).
No… if the milk is homogenized and pasteurized (denaturing all the enzymes, fats and proteins) and killing all of the beneficial bacteria.
No… if the milk is allergic, mucus forming, acid forming, vitamin and mineral depleted, puss filled, blood filled, and put in a plastic container.

Yes… if the cows are organic pasture grass fed like nature intended.
Yes… if the cows are not given growth hormones or antibiotics
Yes… if the milk is whole NOT processed, NOT homogenized, NOT pasteurized, or NOT adulterated in anyway shape or form.
Yes… if the milk is alkaline forming, fulled with vitamins and minerals and bottled in glass.

Furthermore,
Goats milk is closer to humans milk than cows milk.
Goats milk digests in 20 minutes vs 4 hours for cows milk.
Goats milk naturally has small fat globules and therefore the healthy beneficial fats are digested easier than cows milk.
Goats milk has more vitamins and minerals than cows milk.
Goats milk is less allergenic than cows milk. (Even though most people aren’t allergic to raw cows milk)
More people by far in the world drink goats milk compared to cows milk.

Conclusion
Milk naturally is a whole perfect food… a gift of pure LOVE to the body from mother nature. The product man has created out of greed for mass production is… while… lets just say, “other than the best ever”.
Are we meant to drink milk… well cultures all over the world have been for thousands of years… some of the healthiest studied cultures in the world do and have drank(real raw whole milk).

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any futher questions…

i studied nutrition as part of my degree and here learned
that it is very hard to gain enough calcium without any dairy products whatsoever.
However i would prefer yoghurts and cheese sometimes to alot of milk. I think some people do have a lactose intolerance/ transient intolerance so i try to limit my amount at any time to around 150 ml max. Alot of milk cereal doesnt’ sit well with me usually. i suppose the advice to listen to you body would work well for alot of people. Too much dairy fat to me is a nightmare, for example anything creamy would produce a BIG gastro-intestinal disturbance.
Some people seem to swear by a hot cup before bed to aid sleep..i’m undecided here.

i seen a BBC documentary speaking about weight loss and dairy products were found to greatly increase the amount of excess fat being secreted by the body which was found to be a big positive. It decreased their waist size. They attributed it to the calcium.

One last thing i think about with dairy…i’ve read but am unsure whether its true or not but there was a study who found a difference between skim/full-fat milk in terms of a womans fertility.
The skim milk having a very detrimental effect on ovulation and the full fat having a very positive effect in terms of a good fertility.
Ok…hope thats not too much information. i think alot about these things….maybe too much..LOL.
Hope that didnt’ create more confusion.!! :D

I don’t think milk or any other dairy products are necessary in the human diet. In my opinion is it ranked with all other processed foods & should not be comsumed.

Sorry Stephy,
this comment wasn’t meant to be in reaction to yours – i hit the wrong button. =]

Hi,
I am against drinking milk, it is not a necessary part of our diet. We can get all the nutrients we think we can get from milk from other foods, without the fat and, more importantly, the sugar. 5g of sugar per 100mls, this is not good considering how little 100mls is to some people. My brother drinks around 2 litres of half-fat milk PER DAY!! This is 1000kcal, 100g of sugar and a whopping 34g of fat!! And considering that many of us (without knowing) have some degree of lactose intolerence I believe we’d feel more energetic and have less sinus problems without milk.

Another thing about milk, which is really scary, is that research has shown if calves are fed pasteurized milk they do poorly and many die before maturity. A scientist called Pottenger conducted a series of feeding experiments on cats, over a 7 year period. Those he fed on raw meat and raw milk thrived. Those fed cooked meat and pasteurized milk quickly developed many diseases, by the 2nd generation had stunted growth and high kitten mortality rates, and by the 3rd were unable to reproduce.

So milk can’t have that much use for us, we probably just like the taste.

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Zuzanna, this is not completely related to the topic of milk but to the effects of diet and exercise in general. Do you think that your body shape is a result of good diet and exercise or do you think that we are all born with a certain body structure and there is not much we can do about changing the shape of it? The reason why I am asking is because I am slim but I am not one of those women with curves at the right places and people always say to me that there is nothing I can do about it, that that is how my natural body shape is no matter what. Would you say this is true?

I have done alot of research on Milk and Zuzana is correct, it is a big marketing campaing that has us believing that it is good for us!! its meant for calfs, not humans!! cows have something like 4 stomachs and we only have 1 so we don’t digest it as easily!! why do you think so many people are becoming lactose intollerant?? because our bodies begin to reject it!!

Hi Zuzana & Frederick!!!
I just want to hear your opinion about power plate, vibration working out! Please give me some true clues because here in greece all gyms are suggesting this to be the best way of working out but I’m not sure. I ‘d like to read an article for this issue… Thanx!!!

I used to drink a lot of milk. Everyday, it was in my breakfast. And then, when I discovered cycling, I would go to this spin class where the instructor would always talk about how we shouldn’t drink milk because it is just cow pus (forgive the term but that’s what he used). After that, I avoided milk. Not entirely, but, I would only drink like once in a while. That is, when I eat it. My spin class instructor also added that what we see on TV about the benefits of milk is just pure marketing strategy as what has been mentioned by Zuzana.

From Milk…can we go to supplements? Are they really necessary? Are you taking any? Right now, I am not taking anything.

Hi Zuanna & Freddy!

I love the way you guys always approach these topics from a realistic and open-minded point of view. There really isn’t an easy answer, and usually when people try to tell you there is, and they have it…they usually don’t know what they’re talking about. lol. So here’s my question. What do you guys think about Soy milk? I never was a big milk drinker and now I have switched over to soy milk instead. What are the pros and cons of soy milk and how does it compare as opposed to milk?

Thanks for all that you guys do!
~Lauren from LA…NO,LA that is! =)

Sorry Zuzana, I just realized the typo in your name!

I dont drink milk. I never liked it and this could be due to the fact that my adopted mother never gave me milk for some unknown reason. I always love cheese as my favorite food. I always get almond milk or rice or soy ( now I hear soy inhibits thyroid not a good choice if some one is hypothyroid) But….I recently have been looking into raw food diet. I have heard of this before and thought it wasnt healthy and even silly. But I have been watching several utube videos about it and I am interested now. I wonder what you guys would think of it?

Milk is great, as long as its fresh, NOT PASTEURISED/HOMOGENISED – these processes turn it into ‘empty’ calories, a product rid of any nutrients and goodness, also difficult to digest. I grew up in Poland and we used to have fresh milk delivered to our door every day :-) I live in London now, unfortunatelly it’s not possible to buy fresh milk here…

Chocolate milk can be used as a post-workout drink, so your gym teacher did have the right idea. There are may people out there with great physiques who know about protein shakes yet still opt for chocolate milk. Do a search for “surge vs chocolate milk” for a very interesting analysis on this from a reputable author on sports nutrition/fat loss etc. Surge is the protein powder made by supplements company BioTest.

I use protein powder because it’s cheap and convenient. However, I realise many supplement companies want you believe that whey powder is much more superior than it really is. Btw, one of the funniest things I’ve heard before is people stating they don’t eat dairy but they consume whey protein shakes.

Anyway, very interesting article about milk, Zuzana. I believe it can form a part of a healthy diet. If one is not intolerant or allergic to it, then I don’t think there’s anything to fear from it.

As for the argument that we’re the only animals to drink another species milk (thus implying we’re doing something unnatural), I think it’s quite flawed. The fact is as a that do a lot of things that other species don’t all the time (e.g – consuming white sugar, processing grains, cooking veggies etc). I wonder how many of those who critise the consumption of milk as being “unnatural” have enjoyed a drink on the weekend or NYE, eaten a “healthy” yet processed cereal or put refined sugar in their tea or coffee? All of those things are as unnatural to humans as animal milk, imo. Yet it seems people will drop milk like a bad habit and criticise it but will blindly continue to do all manner of “unnatural” things to their food or consume “unnatural” foods.

“The fact is as a that do a lot of things that other species don’t all the time”

That should read: “The fact is as humans we do a lot of things that oter species don’t all the time” :)

Milk is essential to me. I prefer organic skim. The reason for this is my dermatologist told me that organic(good organic) milk doesn’t have all the hormones in it that cause skin irritation and acne. So of course I switched. It’s been a while since my skin has been that bad to require a change like that, but I stick to organic to be on the same side. I also know for me personally if I don’t drink milk for two days or more I get calcium deposits in my nails, which is a sign that I am not getting enough of the nutrient. So 1-2 8 oz. glasses of milk a day for me I feel is a huge part of being healthy.
I also see all those ads and read all those studies that say 1%-skim milk helps you to lose weight and keep weight off. This causes milk to be very appealing to dieters who may end up over indulging in the white stuff.
But I tend to feel that milk is great to have in a diet only in moderation.

Ellen’s comment that humans are the only creatures who drink another species’ milk is really thought-provoking. It certainly makes the point that drinking another creature’s milk isn’t natural. But then again, humans are pretty far from acting in their natural state! We are certainly not hunting or forgaging and gathering for our food – this has been replaced by drive-thrus!

I think that milk is pretty hard to degist. Much better are the products of milk, such as sour milk, yogurt, cottage cheese, hard cheese. They include bacteria, so that these products are already pre-digested

Hey guys, Great topic.

I used to drink milk but it had negative impact on my digestion so I switched to soy milk. Unfortunately the sugar content was way too high in the vanilla one I drank so I switched to unsweetened vanilla almond milk. It is the bomb. Very tasty, only 40 calories per glass and low in sugar. Plus all the good things that come from almonds are also in the drink. And you can cook with, it, or bake with it, just like regular milk. And you can make it yourself if you like with raw, soaked almonds, water, vanilla and a pinch of sea salt.

One concern I did have when drinking milk was whether it contained rBGH, which is a gentically-engineered bovine growth hormone linked to cancer in humans. In the US they do not tell you if it’s in your milk; Canada (where I’m from) and European nations banned it. So if you are going to drink milk in the US I’d suggest organic, and as you pointed out, not the Mal-Wart kind. Same goes for cheese.

I’m not a milk fan, I mean, I don’t drink a lot of it. I sometimes take it with tea, rarely with coffee as it spoils the taste of coffee lol But every now and then I will like I REALLY NEED a glass of milk, too often this happens after a very intensive workout, like a real killer that leaves me dying on the floor. I don’t know what that might mean but that’s the way it is. And I can’t drink skimmed milk at all – to me it tastes like water. If I do drink milk (or put it in my oatmeal), it’s gotta have 3.5 to 5% fat.
I also wanted to ask you about other types of fat like butter, fat cheese (like 45% and higher), yogurts (not fat free) and cottage chesse. Healthy food is a rather broad notion. Avoiding processed meat and fattening food might not necessarily mean that you eat healthy food. Is butter allowed? What about cheese and other dairy products? This is important to me since dairy products make the bigger part of my diet.
Thanks a million!

Hi, I just want to point out that it terms of nutrition it really doesn not matter if you drink organic or non-organic milk. In developed countries hormones and similar things cannot be used to feed cows. It is important to know that milk that we can normally buy in shops is in fact biologically “dead” because of its heat treatment (pasteurization) and homogenization. It may give you some calcium and a little bit of proteins but nothing else. Whether organic or non-organic. But if you want to support organic farming and better treatment of animals, buy organic.

English is not my first language so please tolerate my bad writing.I am from Romania ,I am 25 ,I was a fitnes trainer until two years ago when I stoped worcking because of school,I am year 3 at a Political Studies University. I hav read a lot of books on this subject and I have learned from practice as well that milk does actuali help in fat los and muscle built at the same time because it is a veri balanced food product. I personali prefer milk with 1.5 fat percent because of taste and because 0.5 fat is practicali the same doe to the higher percent of crbohidrates. I advise you to drinck milk not just for calcium but because it is an excelent source of protein that wil hep you gain muscle and burn fat,it can succesfuli rplace protein shakes alone or if you want stronger stuf in combination with banana and egg whites.Except for meat and egg milk was the third most best food product that gived me excelent results not just for my self,so if you feal like dreancking something and it is not watter dreanck some milk and if you feal like something fruitti eat some fruits and remember YOU ARE WAT YOU EAT. Plase please don’t be rood to me for my bad english

As human beings “naturally” we tend to believe most things that are advertised, not looking into the real research that has been done. As I am from latin descendency we used to drink lots & lots of milk..yes it was whole milk. But it was believed it was great for you. After I have done my own research, my hubby & I either drink almond milk, soy milk or rice milk.
Nowdays, so much goes into advertising costs to sell a product..in this case Milk. The more money farmers are able to make; the more they are able to pay off the dairy council to be on their side.
Think of how much fake stuff goes into cows, think of what they are injected, fed & given for water….and to think we then consume this stuff & put it into our bodies.
Did you know that …when the machines are put on the cows utters for milk (just think of that)..the utters tend to get infected from being dry & from the process of milk being pumped out…think of that an infection into milk…(yes it is treated but still how much of that milk do we get). Also it is said that some portion of the milk is considered puss.
Logically thinking..a calf only feeds off his mother cow for his growth period…When do you see a cow feed off another cow……Yet we as adults still feed off a cow. There are other sources of calcium & protein…..
FYI…When a product says it’s organic..it does not mean 100% organic…all it is required to have is 70-80% organic products….I know this for a fact..I was in the industry…

Hi Everyone!

I think you can eat-drink everything (except junkfood, of course). The most important thing is how much you eat from thees things, find a balance.
I don’t think it is healthy if somebody eat just vegetables, or don’t eat any kind of carbohiydrate. I think body require these tings, the most important thing is the quantity and the quality.
The problem with too mutch milk is, that for human body hard to digest milk.

I didn’t think about what I eat or drik, for a long time. I like milk and everthing what made of milk and sweet things, bread, etc… But I started to hate my body, and I felt that my body didn’t work on a right way.
But 2 years before I fed up and I changed, started to look what I eat. I never do sports before, but now I can’t imagine my life without it. I lose 15kg.
I still drink some milk, it was hard to reduct the quantity. :) I still eat sweet things, but try to make kind of things like Zuzana make, and eat just a litle bit from it. But now it’s OK, I don’t need more.

I know, my comment is not just about milk. I litle bit about change. I know it’s hard, and I heard a lot, that „you are young, it was easyer for you”. I am 25 years old now, but the people who told me that were 30-35…It was not easy, but worth it!
Everything depends on you. You don’t have to wait for an other people who start with you, or wait for a Monday. You just have to decide.

I find your website about 1 month ago, Zuzana. I read a lot of comments and what You wrote, I like this site!
Now I have a lot of exams, and I have to sit and learn, so now I don’t have time to go to the gym. But You make me so easy, because I don’t have to thik about what to do at home, just come here and make the exercises.
You give me a lot of inspiration! Thank You!

Best wishes
Mesi =)

Hi Zuzi a Frederick
Ja osobne sem jako mala pila dost mleka ale ted uz ho pouzivam do kavy ale uprimne kdyz sem nemocna nebo mi neni dobre tak si s chuti dam hrnek studeneho semi-skimmed.
Ale dneska sem se na jedne strance setkla s necim novym a chtela bych se vas zeptat co vi na to mate za nazor.
Je to uz docela stara surovina ale ja sem se s tim nikdy nasetkala TOFU jako zdrava nahrazka treba za uzeny.Ja se snazim nahrazovat porad neco za zdravejsi ale osobne jsem s tim nevarila a protoze ty mas urcite vetsi znalosti o zdrave vyzive tak bych byla rada za tvuj(vas) nazor nez ho koupim.
Dekuju a tesim se na zitrejsi video cauky

I quit consuming all things white about 8 months ago.. and lost about ten pounds with very little effort. I only had milk in coffee, now no coffee, but I do make almond milk every few days to put into a smoothie. After reading Thrive Fitness and The China Study, I doubt I’ll touch milk again: as a protein source and a calcium source, vegetables are better, they have no fat or cholesterol and they are NOT tied to disease.

Unless someone is drinking 2 pints or more a day I don’t think there’ll be an issue in terms of weight gain, there are almost certainly bigger issues in terms of the food in their diet that should be addressed first.

Also, the calcium in milk can play an important role in weight control. Having a greater amount calcium in your system while you are digesting food is proven to increase the amount of fat that passes through your system without being absorbed by the body by up to 50%.

Whether milk is the best way of getting that calcium is debatable, but I personally can’t think of any tastier way!

Stephy, very well said. I agree, totaly!

Tina

I am a veterinary student and I can tell you right now if you are drinking milk from North America it is ILLEGAL for there to be any levels of antibiotic residues or hormones present. Farmers are required to withhold this milk, and if they are caught supplying it they are FINED BIG TIME. So fear not, the milk you drink is healthy!!

I agree with your old gym teacher…chocolate milk is really great post workout drink, no protein shakes necessary!

My over all opinion about milk is > moderation. If you have option to buy milk from a local farmer who has, lets say, 10 cows or so, you can buy milk from him / the best option. Here, in Slovenia we have lots of small farmers like that. They feed their cows with natural stuff from their fields only.

But if you are buying your milk in the markets, its better to choose skim milk, because the fat in those milk is not so good > proccesed fat. My opinion and as far as I am concerned…

Best,

Tina

I agree with your old gym teacher…chocolate milk is really great post workout drink, no protein shakes necessary!

My over all opinion about milk is > moderation. If you have option to buy milk from a local farmer who has, lets say, 10 cows or so, you can buy milk from him / the best option. Here, in Slovenia we have lots of small farmers like that. They feed their cows with natural stuff from their fields only.

But if you are buying your milk in the markets, its better to choose skim milk, because the fat in those milk is not so good > proccesed fat. My opinion and as far as I am concerned…

Best,

Tina

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Hello Z.!
I like milk a lot! At least two times a week I have it with cereals on my breakfast and it gives me energy for next three hours. And after my evening trening, around 9pm the best thing for me is milk 200ml 1% mixed with banana. That’s delicious and I don’t fill too full before sleep.
Greetings

As stated, within moderation, milk is perfectly fine and will not set you off the path to healthy or clean living too drastically. However, one thing must be taken into consideration and that is the problems milk can create in the sinus cavities, which can lead to a whole host of problems. Also, the nutritional value is much less these days than when we were growing up due to the processing guidelines. So if you are looking to get your rda of calcium, or any other nutrients for that matter, from milk, then you will be shortcut. Calcium supplementation is a must, as well as vitamin d and magnesium, especially for the crowd here who is obviously into fitness.
Thank you for the work you guys do! Awesome website!!!!

you drink maltese milk from my dads farm yipiiiiiiiiii i maltese guy thts why in malta every one is like a toothpick

Thank you for your advice! I’m ovo-lacto-vegetarian for many years, and healthy still. :D Now I’ve too little iron on my blood (just a little) so I have to take some pills, and try to eat more legumes.

BTW, I’m having a super-cramp on my right quadriceps that make me stop on the middle of fat lose and butt workout (yes, in the pistols). So painful that I HAD to stop, it’s killing me. Do you have any advice about cramps?

As always, you’re wonderful, and thank you for being there and make our lives better.

Angela.

I have switched from skim milk to almond milk or soy milk. The 2% I grew up on and the skim milk I started drinking because I don’t like the taste of milk in general, was the culprit to my skin breaking out. So the alternative at least to my knowledge is a healthy option. But keep all things in moderation. Need a balance.

Milk has been brilliantly marketed in North America as being essential to our diet. But I don’t believe milk is an essential part of the human diet and there are far better sources of calcium out there. I have eliminated all dairy products from my diet for the past 10 years when I started a ‘health makeover’ on myself when I was 23 yrs old and have been my healthiest since that decision. BTW, I have never broken a bone in my body in my whole life and would like to keep it that way too. : )

I am concerned when some people think organic milk has no hormones. When species lactate, there are natural hormones being passed through the milk for their young. Just like our mother’s milk had nutrients and hormones included to help us infants build our immune system. The same goes for cows. If we do indeed need milk as adults, why do we have the weaning stage or why don’t we just stick to human breast milk? Cows don’t drink milk (calves only do until weaned) so why do we as adult humans? There are so many question to this debate and it could go on and on…. : )

BTW, the dairy industry is responsible for the veal industry and many of North America’s pollution issues. Milk is not something that affects only our diet but also our environment.

This is a personal decision for people. Just do your research and choose what’s best for you.

Best,
Tina (who has been researching and debating this topic for 10 years now)

Hi all! I just wanted to say that i dont like drinking milk becasue it bothers me when i work out. i think its because i`m lactose intolerant. so in the morning i rather drink low fat yogur.

i don`t know does anybody have simuar problem?

sorry for my english, i`m from Croatia

I’m so glad you addressed this. Since reading and following the Eat Clean diet I’ve been wondering about milk and how much to drink. I grew up thinking that milk was better than water and until about 6 months ago I would drink about a gallon a week all by myself. I now drink 2% Horizon milk on occasion – maybe once or twice a week.

p.s. I meant to write about your last few posts but I went to Oklahoma for my birthday this weekend so here you go:

I very recently started liking Lady Gaga and I think she has a great message and I can’t wait to buy her cd on the 24th.
“Cleavage cleavage cleavage” Holy Cow I was laughing my head off! You are so funny!
Also I absolutely love the exercise from the “Burn Fat And Tighten Your Butt” where you do 2 lunges, 4 backward jumps, and then a half burpee. It was so much fun and so effective! Thanks for that :)

And thank you guys for all this awesome info!

Oh, and one more thing. I’ve been eating oatmeal in the morning lately and just in case you guys haven’t tried it, I really think you should put some crushed pecans in your oatmeal. It is sooo yummy!

Zuzana & Frederick ==> KEEP YOUR BALANCE
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Hi Zuzana! I hope you are fine.

I agree with Big Tex-Dallas:

“I think there are a lot worse drinks we could be worrying about drinking than milk. Coke/Pepsi with…”
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I believe in everything we have to keep balance in our life & make good choices…

In life I believe we all have to be strong and move toward things that make us happy, and away from that which could hurt us or make us sad (food,body,relationships etc). I also believe that all people no matter who they are, are entitled to as much happiness and success as they want.

Many thanks 4 your “Search/Find/Learn & SHARE Code”.

Keep up the good work!

So sorry 4 my English.

Love/Hug/Kisses
Marinaki :)
xxx

Hi Zuzana! Tell me when will be available 1on 1?? I have to you a lot of questions … Thank you. Waiting response.

In addition… something to consider. I agree with all the comments so far. It is another species’ milk, but is needed for the nutritional benefits if you don’t know how to substitute them (unfortunately some vegans don’t do it correctly).
Statistically, for those who are prone to acne breakouts, dairy increases chances by 30%… purely statistic. Scientists can’t explain why, but assume it’s the natural hormones (even organic). Leslie Baumann, dermatologist from Miami, famously notes this along with others.

I’m glad you wrote about this. I’ve been wondering about it myself and even considered posting it as a question.

I suspect that the milk we buy in the grocery store is a far cry from “milk” (pasturized, homoginized, vitamin enriched, who knows what else…) so I wondered how it fits into the real food thing.

When I was a kid I used to drink a quart of milk at time. I craved it and couldn’t get enough.

As an adult I hardly touch it except for some half-and-half in my coffee. I still love it but I find that if I drink more than a few ounces at a time I break out like a teenager.

Keep up the good work Z&F!!!

Also pls visit the website: http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

Love/Hug/Kisses
Marinaki :)
xxx

I grew up on a dairy farm. Milk was our life, our well being and we didnt take that for granted. Milk (yes high in fat) is a product of pure nature, as close from Gods table as you can get. Its purpose is to sustain life and provide energy. If you abuse anything, yes it can be harmful, however something as natural and pure as milk is alot more forgiving on the body than soda or high acidic sugar potions. So i say YAY MILK!

Hey Frederick. What do you think about soy milk? I am a vegetarian (probably going to be vegan soon) and I don’t drink cows milk at all. I love soy milk!

I grew up with basically no cows milk. I also have a sensitivity to milk, so I can’t really drink it in any form.
Sometimes I actually crave it, but my body rejects it.
I’ve read that it is hard for the human body to absorb calcium from cows milk. Goat milk is actually easier to absorb. Moderation is the key in my opinion.

Hi Everyone!

I think you can eat-drink everything (except junkfood, of course). The most important thing is how much you eat from thees things, find a balance.
I don’t think it is healthy if somebody eat just vegetables, or don’t eat any kind of carbohiydrate. I think body require these tings, the most important thing is the quantity and the quality.
The problem with too mutch milk is, that for human body hard to digest milk.

I didn’t think about what I eat or drik, for a long time. I like milk and everthing what made of milk and sweet things, bread, etc… But I started to hate my body, and I felt that my body didn’t work on a right way.
But 2 years before I fed up and I changed, started to look what I eat. I never do sports before, but now I can’t imagine my life without it. I lose 15kg.
I still drink some milk, it was hard to reduct the quantity. :) I still eat sweet things, but try to make kind of things like Zuzana make, and eat just a litle bit from it. But now it’s OK, I don’t need more.

I know, my comment is not just about milk. I litle bit about change. I know it’s hard, and I heard a lot, that „you are young, it was easyer for you”. I am 25 years old now, but the people who told me that were 30-35…It was not easy, but worth it!
Everything depends on you. You don’t have to wait for an other people who start with you, or wait for a Monday. You just have to decide.

I find your website about 1 month ago, Zuzana. I read a lot of comments and what You wrote, I like this site!
Now I have a lot of exams, and I have to sit and learn, so now I don’t have time to go to the gym. But You make me so easy, because I don’t have to thik about what to do at home, just come here and make the exercises.
You give me a lot of inspiration! Thank You!

Best wishes
Mesi =)

All mammals take their mother’s milk during infancy. After they are weaned, they are sustained by other foods—most humans, however, have been convinced that cow’s milk is an ideal food for humans and should be used all through adult life. Recently, some medical men have been swinging away from this view, and blaming milk for a growing number of problems in children and adults.
The use of dairy products by human adults is unique in the animal kingdom—man is the only animal that is never weaned—except, of course, for domesticated animals, who lap up saucers of milk.
The milk of each species is well adapted for the young of that species. Unpasteurized raw cow’s milk is an ideal food for calves; it contains a growth factor intended for the maturing of a calf, but which CAUSES excessive height in young humans, and complicated PROBLEMS in adult humans, such as excess secretion of mucus, excess secretion of urine, constipation, diarrhea, bowel impaction, nausea, gas and discomfort, m increased blood pressure, edema, and numerous digestive and respiratory problems.

Milk for the Human Infant
Human milk is far superior to any other milk as food for the human infant. The chemical composition of cow’s milk is different from that of human milk in many other important respects. Cow’s milk is specifically adapted to the blood and chemical composition of the calf’s body.
Human milk contains lecithin, and an abundance of the amino acid taurine, both important to brain development. Cow’s milk is deficient in both of these elements.
The milk of the nursing mother changes with the changing needs of the growing infant. Human milk is much lower in total protein than is cow’s milk, and is sweeter and higher in carbohydrates. The types and amounts of fats, vitamins and minerals also are radically different.
In the preparation of the infant’s formula, the cow’s milk is usually diluted with water and sweetened to lower the excessive protein and provide supplementary carbohydrates.
The protein content of human milk is about one-third as much as in cow’s milk, and is mostly albumin—while the protein in cow’s milk is mostly casein, which forms large, tough, dense, difficult-to-digest curds which are adapted to the four-stomach bovine digestive apparatus. Mother’s milk forms very small, soft curds which are easily digested by the infant.

Comparhansion:
- Human Milk U.S. Sample (100 grams) contains 1.1 grams of protein and 3.5 grams of carbohydrates
- Fluid Whole Cow’s Milk (Pasteurized and Raw—3.7 per cent Fat)(100 grams) contains 9.5 grams of protein and 4.9 grams of carbohydrates

Human milk contains much more (than any other milk) of the two amino acids, cystine and tryptophan, characteristics which render it superior for the human infant. Cow’s milk is deficient in iodine, iron, phosphorus and manganese. The minerals in mother’s milk are adequate for infants, but inadequate for adults.

Milk is splendid as the sole food for mammals during the period of their most rapid growth. A baby will ordinarily double his or her birth weight in 180 days with no other food.

Of course, mother’s milk can be impaired by the diet of the mother. Many cases of colic (gas and constipation) in babies are “miraculously” cured when the mother stops eating eggs, meat and other animal foods.
It cannot be too strongly emphasized that the infant should, even at very great cost, be nursed during the initial period, for as long as possible. Breast milk contains hormones needed by the infant, and contains white blood cells which protect against infections, intestinal disorders and respiratory diseases; and this protection extends into later life. The yellowish, watery fluid (colostrum) secreted from the breast during the first few days of nursing has an especially vital protective role.
Bottle-fed babies are much more susceptible to allergies. They contract the so-called “contagious” diseases more than twice as often, and enlarged tonsils and adenoids are much more common among them.
Repeated evidence from Europe during the wars in 1871, 1914 and 1917, revealed that when no cow’s milk was available, and the infants had to be breast-fed, the infant death rate dropped.
However, it may be necessary to use animal milk for some babies. Dr. Alec Burton says that, if human milk is not obtainable, infants should have the milk of another animal, because they must have galactose, which is found in combination with glucose in milk sugar, and just does not exist in the plant kingdom. In this case, goat’s milk is sometimes used, since it forms a smaller curd than cow’s milk, and is therefore easier to digest, and does not have the excess growth factor. Also, it is somewhat easier to obtain goat’s milk that is not pasteurized, from a goat that has not been fed drugs and antibiotics. Goat’s milk is, of course, subject to some of the same objections as cow’s milk.
A mother’s milk is free, always available, sterile, the right temperature and contains all the nutrition a child needs in the first four to six months of life.”
Modern Methods of Milk Production

Present-day methods of producing milk involve the threat of milk from unhealthy animals, POOR SANITATION, POOR METHODS OF PASTERURIZING AND HANDLING BULK SUPPLIES, AND DRUGS, INCLUDING HORMONES AND ANTIBIOTICS IN PRACTICALLY ALL DAIRY PRODUCTS.

PASTEURIZED MILK
Whatever virtues raw milk may possess are seriously damaged by pasteurization. Heating the milk makes it even more difficult to digest and causes chemical and physical changes that destroy much of whatever nutritional value would have been available in the raw milk. The casein is coagulated and toughened, the vitamin and mineral components are spoiled and made unavailable to the body, and the lactic acid bacilli (beneficial intestinal flora) are destroyed.
In addition to pasteurization, milk is subjected to other processes, all of which impair its value; It is homogenized (so that the cream cannot be separated from the milk), sterilized and otherwise treated to render it “safe.” Even though it is illegal, milk is regularly adulterated, and the adulteration is never put on the label. This is a violation of the Pure Food and Drug Act, but the dairy industry remains free of persecution.
“One of the most common adulterations put into milk are the so-called ‘alkalinizers.’ These are used most during the summer months to mask the taste of the milk produced by the growth of the bacilli in it. This enables the milk industry to sell old milk as ‘fresh milk’.”

Raw milk from healthy cows (?)
many people (children and adults) experience quick reactions when any milk is consumed. Excess secretion of mucus is quickly initiated, causing frequent colds, tonsillitis, bronchitis and asthma. Milk has also been a factor in the development of coronary artery disease. These and other problems (such as constipation, diarrhea, tetany) are inherent in the liberal use of the milk itself (even raw milk) and many people who use only small amounts of milk still suffer respiratory and other problems, which often, miraculously disappear when milk is eliminate in the diet.

Many people lack the enzymes lactase and rennin, necessary for the digestion of milk. Some adults who have used milk regularly all their lives may still be able to secrete these enzymes to some extent, and demonstrate no overt reactions when they drink milk (which does not, per se, prove that the milk is an optimal food for that person).
Many people lack the enzymes lactase and rennin, necessary for the digestion of milk. Some adults who have used milk regularly all their lives may still be able to secrete these enzymes to some extent, and demonstrate no overt reactions when they drink milk (which does not, per se, prove that the milk is an optimal food for that person).

Lactose (milk sugar) comprises about 40% of the calories in breast milk, and about 30% in cow’s milk. Lactase catalyzes the conversion of lactose, a complex carbohydrate, into the simple sugars, glucose and galactose, which can then be utilized by the body. Humans who are deficient in this enzyme have difficulty in utilizing dairy products, especially milk. They may suffer pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and other problems.

THE TRUTH ABOUT CALCIUM
The claim that milk is a protective food and that it will help bone development and prevent tooth decay has been demonstrated to be a fallacy. We are told that milk is a major source of calcium and if we don’t drink milk, our teeth will fall out and our bones collapse, and most people buy these ideas, hook, line and sinker.
“The calcium in cow’s milk is of too crude a nature to be easily assimilated by the more delicate, subtle human organism. Frequently, the coarser calcium attracts and absorbs the finer calcium in the human cells, robbing them of what little they had.”
“Calcium is not Cowcium,” says Vegetarian Living (published by the Vegetarian Association of America). There are many nonanimal foods in common use among Hygienists, each of which is as rich in calcium as cow’s milk, if not richer. Some of these are sunflower seeds, dried figs, pistachio nuts, Brazil nuts, filberts, almonds, kale and other greens; and the calcium in these plant foods is readily available to the human organism, without stress and threat.
Natural sunlight (Vitamin D) is vital to calcium absorption. Foods high in oxalic acid (such as spinach, chard, beet greens, chocolate, coffee) interfere with the absorption of calcium. Wheat bran (a fragmented food) inhibits the absorption of calcium. Such unnaturally large amounts of fiber can impair the body’s ability to absorb calcium and other important minerals. Natural sources of fiber (with few exceptions) don’t interfere with the assimilation of calcium and other nutrients.
Be sure to note and differentiate among the various dark green leaves. Dark, leafy green vegetables contain considerable amounts of calcium, but they also contain varying amounts of oxalic acid. During food digestion, oxalic acid combines with calcium and forms an insoluble compound, calcium oxalate, so that the calcium passes out of the body without being absorbed. Those greens which contain large amounts of oxalic acid are therefore poor sources of calcium, since most or all of their calcium is lost to the body. They may even rob the body stores of calcium obtained from other foods. The “good guys” are romaine, buttercrunch and leaf lettuce; kale, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage and collard. These vegetables contain significant amounts of calcium and negligible amounts of oxalic acid. In kale, broccoli and collard, calcium exceeds oxalic acid by a ratio of forty-two to one. Beet greens, spinach and Swiss chard have up to eight times as much oxalic acid as calcium.
It is worthwhile to take the time and effort to understand the importance of calcium, and its sources. Calcium is needed for proper bone and cartilage formation, for proper blood clotting, for muscle functioning, for hormone activation, for tissue formation. Calcium influences capillary permeability.
Calcium deficiency can cause headaches, heart palpitation, listlessness, sleeplessness, and affects nerve function and thought processes. Adequate calcium supplies can help to keep cholesterol levels in the normal range. Calcium activates numerous enzyme systems and normalizes the contraction and relaxation of the heart. It is essential in the maintenance of the delicate acid-alkaline balance.
During the years of growth, 99% of the available calcium is utilized in the formation of bones and teeth. Subsequently, extra supplies of calcium and other minerals are stored in the bones and drawn upon in emergencies for balancing the body chemistry. A small percentage of the body’s calcium is found in body fluids and tissues.
June M. Wiles, whose research on this subject is summarized in her excellent article, “Good Nutrition,” (Independent Press, September 10, 1975) says, “It is unfortunate that a majority of our medical practitioners, when seeing “too much” calcium in blood studies will take the patient off calcium instead of seeking to find why an excess is present. There is hardly such a thing as “too much,” especially the way we Americans eat.”
She says that it is probable that a deficiency of calcium may exist, because the body is incapable of retaining it. We must understand that other nutrients influence the absorption, utilization and stability of calcium. Calcium will be rejected by the body if Vitamins A, D, C, magnesium, phosphorus and dietary protein are absent or deficient.
Ms. Wiles says, “If more physicians would check first for these deficiencies before withdrawing calcium, I dare say the rate of individual recovery would increase 100%.”
“Peas and mung beans contain calmodulin, a protein which works with calcium in such vital processes as activating enzymes in the red blood cells, skeletal muscles and the brain, as well as controlling muscle and nerve action, blood clotting, cell mortifying and cell membrane functions.” (Vegetarian Living)

AS WE HAVE SO OFTEN EMPHASIZED, THOSE WHO UTILIZE AN INTELLIGENTLY PLANNED HYGIENIC DITET, CONSISTING MOSTLY OF WHOLE, RAW FOODS, NEED HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT DEFICIENCIES OF ANY NUTRITIONAL ELEMNTS.

As we have so often emphasized, those who utilize an intelligently planned Hygienic diet, consisting mostly of whole, raw foods, need have no concern about deficiencies of any nutritional elements.
Carrington says, “Even if an animal is perfectly healthy, the milk partakes of the nature and general character and composition of the animal’s body,” and while this may not be actually diseased, it is doubtless in a more or less depraved condition—as are practically all domesticated animals, particularly the cow—during the confined period of winter. And the milk, being a secretion, naturally takes on the conditions of the body of the animal—as would any other secretion.

Carrington says, “Indeed, Professor L.B. Arnold, an excellent authority on all dairy matters, says, ‘Milk is the scavenger of the cow’s body.’”

Cow’s milk is usually used by adults as a beverage—it is not a beverage, but a food. In its raw state, unpolluted and unprocessed, it is an excellent food for calves.
It is emphatically not recommended for human consumption, especially adult humans.

COW’S MILK IS USUALLY USED BY ADULTS AS A BEVERAGE – IT IS NOT A BEVERAGE, BUT A FOOD. IN IT RAW STATE, UNPOLLUTED AND UNPROCESSED, IT IS AN EXCELLENT FOOD FOR CALVES. IT IS EMPHATICALLY NOT RECOMMENDED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, ESPECIALLY ADULT HUMANS

My uncle had a problem with milk because he has lactose-intolerance so the doctor told him than can’t drink any milk. He used to drink 4 glasses per day. He is 48.
I’m studying physical therapy and a professional who was treating my grandmother hip, told me than he don’t give milk to his child because some research articles said that milk cause osteoporosis and other health problems. Can you believe it? I always heard the opposite!
Since I read Bodyrock and pay attention of what I eat and why I eat it. I feel that I don’t really need to take so much cacao-lat or coffees with milk and sugar as much I used to do. So I decided take notice of it and don’t drink or even eat too much of some single food. I hope someday truth comes to people and win the battle against the economy.
Isabel. Spain.

I’m sorry for my long detailed answer. But I thought you guys should be aware of this issue. There actually are set-in-stone answers to these questions. If you people are too lazy to read the whole article. Read at least upper case written sentences. These are “must know”.

Zuzana, I appretiate your work so much. I follow your workout routines regulary and I’ve noticed amazing results. You definitely are an inspiration to me. I’m a raw foodist and a student of natural hygiene. In general: The raw food diet is a diet based on unprocessed and uncooked plant foods, such as fresh fruit and vegetables, sprouts, seeds, nuts, grains, beans, nuts, dried fruit, and seaweed.
I used to be confused by issues like milk, meat, sugar etc. until I discover natural hygiene materials. You can find all the true answers there. Good luck!

Puvodne jsem take z Cech, nyni ziju v Americe a mozna i o to vic jsi mou inspiraci :) Mej se pekne

Hey Frederic, Zuzana and everyone! Speaking of calcium, have you heard of the ancient grain called chia seeds? They have more calcium than milk, high in protein, more Omega 3 fatty acids than flax, high in fibre and many more great benefits. They have less of a nutty tast than flax. They are traditional food of the Aztecs, and certain tribes eat them before running 100mile runs! (Seriously 100 miles).
One thing I like about these as an alternative to flax in the low phytoestrogens, just in case you had estrogen receptor positve breast cancer. Thats why I try not to drink soy products as well because they have concentrated amounts of phytoestrogens.

I never used to drink milk when i was little, the only time i had it was with cereal. For some reason now in my late teens i crave it sometimes. Maybe my body knows i need some nutrients it contains. I get 1% milk usually. but there is the question of if drink so much here in America, why are we still the leader in osteoporosis? The countries with the highest milk consumption are somehow the ones who drink the most milk. It has been shown that drinking milk as a child means better bone health at older ages, but drinking it at only older ages does little. This makes sense since milk is really meant to nourish babies, and the same nutrients may still be beneficial to growing children and adolescents.

haha i meant the countries with the highest milk consumption are somehow the ones who have the most osteoperosis, whoops

PS! I have also heard about chocolate milk being a great post workout beverage. (I actually saw this on the Doctors tv show)

Hey Z! It’s not about milk, but I did want to share one of my favorite breakfast recipes with you.

1 mashed banana
2 egg whites
1 tsp. peanut butter (optional)
1/2 cup oats

mix it all up and let it set for about five minutes to thicken up. cook like pancakes in a pan. you’ll have to spread the batter with a fork to make thin cakes. yummy!!! hope you enjoy it.

:)

I prefer not to drink any simply because I’m not a fan of the taste. I may have a tiny bit in cereal but that is it and its only 1% never whole milk.

As a Fitness Model, I’ve always been a milk drinker, in MODERATION. I drank whole milk my entire life religiously. Of course growing up I was chubby and out of shape untill 17 when I started training. Being a Type 0 Blood type, dairy and grains are easily converted over to fat storage. So Milk and grains made it easier for me to gain weight.

On the other hand, if you’re a type B Blood type, your body will respond better to dairy. It’s in your genetic code. For the O & A blood types, milk wasn’t around in your ancestrial history. 40,000 years ago everyone was a type O Blood type. So for example, milk hadn’t been inrotroduced into peoples lifestyles. So if you were to have alot of it, your body can’t use it properly and converts excess to fat.

When I’m getting ready for a show or competition. I cut out milk completely. I feel I’m alot leaner without it. After the show or photoshoot, that week I’m treating myself to milk (I love it so much!)

I get alot of my calcium mainly from brocoli & salmon. If you absolutely have to have some dairy, THE ONLY yogurt you should touch is CARBMASTER from Kroger!!!! (I live in Atlanta Georgia United States)I’ve ONLYfound it at Kroger. If someone sees a low carb version of this please inform me (My clients have to know about it :-) It has 12 grams of protein ONLY 3 GRAMS OF SUGAR. 80 calories, 1.5 grams of fat. A plus in Frank’s Book of treats!

I see so many out of shape women today buying yogurt containing 15 – 33 grams of sugar per serving! RIDICULOUS! I did a facebook Video on that one :-)

So I encourage everyone for 3 months out, hire a photographer to get some professional shots of you, it will encourage you to get in the best shape of your life :-) (P.S. and prep you for the beach!)

Calcium from milk may increase the rate at which your body burns fat. Milk Proteins add an additional fat-burning effect. For muscle building, the protein in milk is about 80% whey & 20% casein – both high quality. Whey is quickly broken down an absorbed into the bloodstream, casein takes longer (giving a steady supply of protein for longer periods) – like between meals or while you sleep. Skim or Whole?….doesn’t matter, it’s a personal taste thing and a little extra calorie thing. Drinking 2-3 glasses of milk a day (what ever type) lowers the likelihood of both heart attack and stroke…lower fat saves calories….building muscle go whole milk.

everything in moderation
Al :)

I drink a couple of glasses of milk a day – I have one or two protein shakes a day and some days I really enjoy milk with dinner. I absolutely LOVE the organic 2% milk that I’ve been buying for the past 1-2 yrs and I cannot stand the regular milk that my husband likes. He agrees that the organic tastes a lot better but he’ll drink the regular because the organic costs a lot more. But I don’t care! So we have a couple different types of milks in our fridge :) Taste and non-hormone milk rule over saving a dollar or two for me! I would like to try to switch to 1% organic though the 2% is just delicious without feeling like I’m totally killing my diet with whole milk. Interesting subject as some workout and diet gurus say no to milk. I agree, in moderation, it’s a great part of our diets! :)

Zuzanna,

This is a hot topic with lot of people. What it boils down to is where the milk is coming from. Conventional pasteurization kill does not kill off the bacteria that cause typhoid and tuberculosis (because it does not get hot enough) and fair amount of number of salmonella poisoning epidemics have been traced to pasteurized milk. Plus the fact that the cows are pumped full of hormones and antibiotics does not sit well with me. Also dairy is a huge inflammatory and eliminating it (along with wheat) can lead to sugnificate weight loose and joint pain relief. If your going to consume milk it should be in moderation (post workout would be best good carbs to protein ratio)make sure it organic and comes from grass fed, free range cows and if it is available buy it raw. It’s safe to drink and does not kill off the healthy enzymes which are necessary for digestion.

Hope this Helps!
Matt

Did anyone mention “The China Study” by Dr. Campbell of Cornell University? It was the biggest nutritional study ever undertaken. In “The China Study”, Dr. Campbell details the connection between nutrition and heart disease, diabetes, and cancer, and also its ability to reduce or reverse the risk or effects of these deadly illnesses. The China Study also examines the source of nutritional confusion produced by powerful lobbies, government entities, and irresponsible scientists. I’m not going to stand on the podium and preach to you what to eat or not eat – but if you want to understand how your body reacts to the foods we eat (especially an American diet), and specifically how animal products effect our bodies – then it is a must read! It is a given, that not everyone will agree, but I personally find cold hard facts hard to argue with.

Shaina, your gym teacher was actually kind of right about the chocolate milk. It has 1 to 2 ratio of protein to carbs which is ideal for after workout recovery.

I don’t drink much milk anymore. It has been proven that you don’t get your calcium from milk. I will find the article on pub med and site if anyone is interested.

Thanks for the cool workouts. They have been a real time saver. I have been mixing them with my own weight lifting routine and they have made me so much more stronger.

What a great topic. Like everything… Milk,high fructose corn syrup, etc, The major companies that are invested in these controversial nutrients pay big bucks to do lab research in their favor. Lab results are like politics, if your paying for it, it will be in your favor. Anyway there are a lot of good articles about Calcium and weight loss both fore and against. here is a good fore: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/142198.php and here is a good against: http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20081008/study-calcium-no-help-fat-loss The against was posted in 2008 while the fore was posted in 2009. Not that that means anything. As it goes with Low fat vs. regular, my father is a micro-biologist and he says that they strip all the natural fat from the milk then add unnatural fat back in to get skim or 1% or 2%. I however cant stand the thickness of anything above 1% so i tell him to go fly a kit and i will keep drinking skim. He says the human body can digest natural animal fats easier than man made fats(hydrogenated), I still tell him, that the thick stuff is nasty and I don’t care. I do love a nice cold glass of skim though. especially with my apple dipped in peanut butter before bed. mmmmmmm. I might have to give that up if i want to look like Hugh Jackman though.

MILK!!! milk is great, without it what would i eat my cereal with water? thats just wrong. and im sure everyone knows but if not isopore protein shakes are use with water & its better then any other shakes used with milk.

I think milk is a good food. I drink Organic whole fat milk if I cannot get any local milk. The taste is signifigantly different than regular store brand milks and for me whole foods means un-touched by man so whole milk is a whole food for me. I kind of feel like all low fat/fat free foods are processed and I try to stay away from them.

I will have a glass with a salad, or fruit etc., or we cook with small amounts of it, etc. I don’t feel the need to put it in my teas or anything, but I like a glass of milk as a varietied protein in my diet. I think the key is to treat it like a real whole food protein and it will work fine for you, as I am not overweight from drinking milk.

I ‘ve never been able (even as baby) to digest milk.
So i don’t drink it ,and eat occasionally cheese(if i’m eating a pizza i bought).
i see lots of people having troubles because of dairy products and that’s because people tend to overconsume these products(yogurt at every meal, milk in the coffee,cheese on pasta all in the same day seems a lot to me), and like anything, too much is not recommended.

Raw unpasteurised milk (especially goats) is the only milk worth drinking.

Hi Zuzana and everybody,

What a hot topic! I love this!
I was raised with milk from cows (my grandparents had several of them) and they knew nothing of the sophisticated pasteurization processes available today. I moved to Canada 7 years ago and my first taste of the “Canadian” milk was a weird experience – tasted nothing like milk to me. I eventually got used to it, and the sweet memories of the milk from back home started to fade. The bad news is the whole set of problems that the North American diet caused me. It wasn’t the milk alone – it was almost everything! It’s all too processed, too refined, too salty or too sweet. I read somewhere that the more man had a hand in processing a food the closer to poison that food will be.
Are we meant to drink another species’ milk? I don’t know, but to refer to the comment I read here from Ellen: yes, we are the only species drinking another’s milk, but we’re also the only species – that we know of – using speech as a means of communication. Could we interpret that we weren’t meant to speak?
Personally, I only drink almond, rice or oats milk now, but that’s only because I don’t trust any store bought cow’s milk. The stuff that may be in that milk is not meant to be consumed by any human and will eventually, if it isn’t already, end up causing all kinds of health issues.

My opinion only – I respect all the views on this site.

Mihaela

OMG – drinking milk may cause cleavage!

LOL! Zuzana, your cleavage rocks.

While the jury is still out on the ins and outs of milk drinking, I’m glad you pointed out that it’s something that’s to be taken in moderation.

Ethical issues aside milk is a decent source of (some) proteins, energy, and fats, which is both a good and a bad thing.

Obviously there are other sources of calcium than milk (though a bowl of sardine bone shards doesn’t appeal) the benefits of calcium (along with the appropriate vitamins for matabolizing it) when coupled with weight bearing exercise as a means of preventing osteoporosis are well known.

Plus research has shown that milk is superior to competing gatorade style drinks post exercise!

Halib!

HI Eva,
there are certain things that we can’t obviously change like short legs, or wide hips. I used to have a big butt and thighs for years and people also used to tell me that my body is just build this way and I can’t change it. My body will always store more fat on my butt and thighs, but I don’t look the way I used to anymore. If you have more fat somewhere on your body then it will only take more time for that area to improve that’s all.

I love milk after workouts especial after im done running, and yes im from north america, not sure what that has 2 do with it. I told my friend 2 cut down on milk cuz she was drinking 3 or 4 glasses a day of 2% and I think that will make a big difference in her diet. THANK YOU for the tips!!!!

You should not apologise for putting so much effort into this for us (for free!). In my Nutritional Science Degree we had I great holisticaly minded and informed teacher in the subject of “food as medicine”. She taught about the disimilarity of cows milk to human & the fat globule size that you refer to, & the fact that goat milk was much closer to human than cow. Also that the calcium of cows milk when combined with a highly processed modern diet (particularly sugars, especially high fructose)is not directed/absorbed to the places humans need it, and instead can contribute to ailments such as spurs(calcium growths on the outside of bones)and osteoarthritis (which my father has).I would also like to bring up the subject of not-so-super soy. I have recently been studying up a bit on upping your fertility, and have come across many large scientific studies showing that the hormonal impact on mens fertility who consume soy was alarmingly unfavourable. Fertility experts in Australia are now advising against men having much soy at all. Also for those that are having soy milk, check out whats on the label! Not very natural whole food in most cases!
Anyway, thanks Foxy, & Zuzana and Fred as usual, maybe soy could be a future topic?

great advice carla! my skin is really bad too and it keeps getting worse. so now i have another reason to quit drinking milk.

Research has known since the 1930′s that pasteurized milk does not and can not increase bone density… when you pasteurize milk you completely denature and destroy the enzyme phosphatase… without phosphatase it is impossible to adsorb the calcium present in milk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKxnPfwdWB8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr5pl6lgjJ8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHcyAH0rOPE&NR=1

Question: How much milk should we drink?
Answer: As long as it’s the RIGHT kind of milk… as much as you want… the more the healthier!

Question: Should we stick to skim milk?
Answer: Skim milk has the least health benefits… all the HEALTHY FATS have been removed… in our culture we are paranoid about fat consumption… 60% of our brains are made of fat… every one of our cell membranes are made out of fat… by removing the fats you loss all the healthy fat soluble vitamins A,D,E and K (our culture is greatly lacking) as well as all the healthy omega 3′s.
Side note… if a cow is grass fed it will have a better ratio of omega 3′s to 6′s (more omega 3′s) but if it is grain fed it will have the opposite (more omega 6′s).
The average person in our culture has 20 times the amount of omega 6′s in there diet… we should have a ratio of (1 to 3) not (1 to 20).

Should we drink organic milk?
Answer: We should not only drink organic milk but we should drink grass fed, unprocessed, whole, unpasteurized, unhomogenized milk raw milk. There are so many scientific reasons for this… I can’t list them all hear.

Sorry, I never got to put in my opinion if we should drink milk…
My answer is both yes and no…

No… if the cows are feed pesticide, lavacide, fungicide, herbicide, suicide, generically modified grains, corn and soy or worse other dead cows (that’s what caused mad cow disease).
No…if the cows are given growth hormones and antibiotics (on almost a daily bases).
No… if the milk is homogenized and pasteurized (denaturing all the enzymes, fats and proteins) and killing all of the beneficial bacteria.
No… if the milk is allergic, mucus forming, acid forming, vitamin and mineral depleted, puss filled, blood filled, and put in a plastic container.

Yes… if the cows are organic pasture grass fed like nature intended.
Yes… if the cows are not given growth hormones or antibiotics
Yes… if the milk is whole NOT processed, NOT homogenized, NOT pasteurized, or NOT adulterated in anyway shape or form.
Yes… if the milk is alkaline forming, fulled with vitamins and minerals and bottled in glass.

Furthermore,
Goats milk is closer to humans milk than cows milk.
Goats milk digests in 20 minutes vs 4 hours for cows milk.
Goats milk naturally has small fat globules and therefore the healthy beneficial fats are digested easier than cows milk.
Goats milk has more vitamins and minerals than cows milk.
Goats milk is less allergenic than cows milk. (Even though most people aren’t allergic to raw cows milk)
More people by far in the world drink goats milk compared to cows milk.

Conclusion

Milk naturally is a whole perfect food… a gift of pure LOVE to the body from mother nature. The product man has created out of greed for mass production is… while… lets just say, “other than the best ever”.

Are we meant to drink milk… well cultures all over the world have been for thousands of years… some of the healthiest studied cultures in the world do and have drank(real raw whole milk).

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions…

Christine,

I soooo agree with you on this. I think that the milk that is being consumed these days is poison filled with hormones and all sorts of dodgy things given to cows.

I will post thins link to my facebook page.

People become lactose intolerant as they get older and they stop producing the enzyme necessary to digest the lactose. The lactose molecule is a large sugar molecule and causes an osmotic pull of fluids into the digestive tract and causes gastrointestinal distress. This is a normal process of aging and not needing as much or if at all milk products any longer for survival.

Many people become allergic due to the hormones, additives and yes, the genetically engineered corn that the cows are fed and/or injected with.

Genetically engineered corn was just found to cause body wide organ failure and all genetically engineered have either caused cancer or death in the lab animals to which they have been fed.

Genetically engineered foods (yes, those fruits and veggies that are supposed to be good for you) are crossed with mainly insect DNA but also black mold DNA along with other “goodies” of which many people are allergic to and those proteins do not magically disappear, they are broken down into proteins and amino acids specific to its DNA and THAT is what people have allergies to. The allergies themselves can be mistake for being lactose intolerant, when in reality, it is an allergy.

It is very insidious but that DNA does not simply *poof* disappear when digested…by the cow or by us…that DNA is always there and THAT is what people have reactions to.

5 YEARS AGO I SWITCHED FROM PASTEURIZED UNHEALTHY COWS MILK TO RAW GOATS MILK… WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!! NOT EVEN THE SAME FOOD…

Most people that think that they are allergic to cows milk or have a lactose intolerance… will be able to drink raw cows milk and especially goats milk no problem…

Raw milk naturally contains good bacteria that help to digest the lactose in milk… when you pasteurize the milk you kill the good bacteria and than when you can’t digest the milk you think your lactose intolerant…

THE CHINA STUDY WAS ONLY DONE ON PASTEURIZED UNHEALTHY NOT GRASS FED CRAP MILK… THE RESEARCH ONLY PROVED THAT PASTEURIZED UNHEALTHY NOT GRASS FED CRAP MILK IS BAD FOR US… THE STUDY DOESN’T PROVE THAT GRASS FED RAW COW OR GOATS MILK IS UNHEALTHY FOR US…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKxnPfwdWB8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr5pl6lgjJ8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHcyAH0rOPE&NR=1

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any futher questions… or if you want to compare research…

Research has known since the 1930′s that pasteurized milk does not and can not increase bone density… when you pasteurize milk you completely denature and destroy the enzyme phosphatase… without phosphatase it is impossible to adsorb the calcium present in milk.

Most people that think that they are allergic to cows milk or have a lactose intolerance… will be able to drink raw cows milk and especially goats milk no problem…

Raw milk naturally contains good bacteria that help to digest the lactose in milk… when you pasteurize the milk you kill the good bacteria and than when you can’t digest the milk you think your lactose intolerant…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKxnPfwdWB8&feature=related

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

SOY IS NOT A HEALTH FOOD… IF IT IS UNFERMENTED IT IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS FOODS TO CONSUME…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9L5MJYfi2A

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Read the book, “The whole story of soy”. (600 Pages of reasons why Soy was never meant to be consumed by humans)

Do some research on how…

Soy was traditionally only used in crop rotation to fix nitrogen for the soil…

How 90% of Soy is now genetically modified…

How Soy damages the thyroid…

How soy is the highest phytoestrogen food…

ONCE AGAIN SOY IS NOT A HEALTH FOOD!!!!!!!

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

Those dairy weight loss ads are simply an attempt in making people believe that those products magically make them lose weight. Can we trust the milk industry spokesmen?

Hormones are still used in the US.

Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone (rBGH) is a genetically engineered copy of a hormone produced by cows. It’s made by Monsanto Company. rBGH increases milk production by as much as 10-15%. The use of rBGH on dairy cows was approved by the US Food and Drug Administration in late 1993 and has been in use since 1994, even though the practice has been banned in Europe, Canada, Japan, New Zealand and Australia.

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First of all welcome to Malta. I hope you are enjoying our winter weather, although when it gets so humid, its hard to get warm.

Secondly, the milk debate is so complicated because no two milk products are alike. As you have probably realized our milk in Malta, is full of water compared to Czech milk. So maltese milk is much lower in fats.

Milk on the whole is a high protein drink with lots of healthy fats which are essential for babies need to grow.How good these are for adults are a bone of contention, but I have to agree with you as long as you have milk in moderation it is healty.

Most of all, I beleive it depends on what one is used too. Some people can drink a carton a day ( 1 litre) other don’t.However it should never be a sunstitute for water. What is especially important is that women get their calcium intake from milk especailly in the teens ( and exercise) as this will go a long way in preventing osteoporosis later in life.

If you are really interested in this stuff, the university of Malta is offering lectures to the public this coming month. I have applied for One of the topics and it is going to be nutrition. You can still apply for the course: info.registrar@um.edu.mt

I’m bothered by the comments stating that milk is “unnatural”. If this is the case, I believe it’s safe to say that we as humans are ourselves, completely unnatural. Our bodies are not naturally meant to be clothed, nor are our legs and faces naturally meant to be shaved. Our hands weren’t naturally meant to be able to type comments on our completely unnatural computers about how “unnatural” our consumption of milk is, whereupon it is unnaturally broadcasted across the globe!
A vegan who can use a computer is far more unnatural than my diary-farmer of a father who can’t even use a mouse! Not that I’m judging anyone.
I’m not bias against technology or mankind’s innovative tendancies or veganism, rather, I just support milk!! Dairy farmers have a far more natural occupation than most people out there. I don’t disagree that some large industrial farms go about things all wrong, tainting the name of the product, but small-scale farms are genuinely natural and necessary. I’m just saying, there are far more “unnatural” things found in society than MILK.

I totally agree. And there is a lot you can do about making your body more proportionaly perfect! I also store all the fat on my butt and I thought my legs are very shoert…but I managed to change that! Now I dont have bigg butt anymore and my legs are getting much slimmer…so, because of that they also look longer! It is a lot about storing fat at some places which makes our proportions look weird….So, after 30 years of my life, I discovered, that I actualy dont have short legs, just the fat was making them look so! And I am so happy now, I can wear the snickers all the time and the lenghth of my legs looks perfectlt normal! Before I used to wear only high heals… Exercising and dieting make miracles to our body shapes and everyone can do it! Dont listen to those people, Eva.

Best,

Tina

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5 YEARS AGO I SWITCHED FROM PASTEURIZED UNHEALTHY COWS MILK TO RAW GOATS MILK… WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!! NOT EVEN THE SAME FOOD…

Most people that think that they are allergic to cows milk or have a lactose intolerance… will be able to drink raw milk (especially goats milk) no problem…
Raw milk naturally contains good bacteria that help to digest the lactose in milk… when you pasteurize the milk you kill the good bacteria and than when you can’t digest the milk you think your lactose intolerant…

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

Last year, I replaced milk in the fridge with almond milk. I don’t care for the oily soy taste and almost all the brands contain a lot of sugar.

We use it for pre/post workout smoothies, lattes, with cereal and as a dairy replacement when cooking.

I do not drink milk in a glass anymore. I also use goat milk from time to time. I’ve replaced other dairy products such as yogurt and kefir with goat/sheep variations. I stick to imported cheeses (to US) made of sheep’s or goat’s milk, such as goat brie or sheep manchego.

The only time I have cow’s milk now is in the occasional Starbucks or cream when traveling for coffee.

Where’s my comment? Bah.

By the way Zuzana your workouts are awesome… I do them all the time… your a great instructor and you do some very challenging workouts (I love it)… I still go to the gym and lift weights… but as far as cardio and workouts to do at home… very challenging!

I would like to see some of the, “juice monkeys” at the gym I go to try and do some of your workouts…haha

Thanks for your work…

-Isaac

Hi Zuzana and Frederick,

My belief is that everyone has an opinion about what is good or bad. Some of us may acquire a little more knowledge on some subjects because we study or read about it. Bottome line (no offense to anyone) you can’t always believe what you read. Michael Pollan’s book touches upon a lot of interesting and disturbing topics, but it is again only his opinion. Years ago I read a book “Fit for Life” based on the concept of eating foods in their natural state (mainly raw) along with proper combining (you can never eat a protein and carb. together) I thought I found the answer to better health by following this book because of the authors’ credentials and scientific studies. Let me tell you that this “new way of eating” landed me in the hospital with an ulcer. What I am trying to say is that whether you decide to drink milk or not should be based on how your body feels about it. If you have been drinking it since the day you were born and it has never affected you, why change it? Because someone says so. My “opinion” is that every individual should invest their time and money in going to an internist and having a complete physical and complete labs/bloodwork. Base any changes in your diet after getting your results. Our bodies are extremely complex machines with mechanics and filters that do their work to eliminate and process what we need and don’t need. No individual is the same and how their body reacts to something doesn’t mean that someone else’s will do the same. My grandfather lived to be 98 years old. His daily diet consisted of red meat, whole milk white bread with lots of butter and endless cups of coffee. He weighed 160 lbs with no high blood pressure or cholesterol. Makes you think hmmm?

All the best!

Shaina,

No one is saying that milk is unnatural. What they are saying is that humans are not MEANT to be drinking milk and are backing their opinions up with scientific facts, which you are purposely avoiding.

You feel this way, because milk has been a huge part of our lives and I completely understand when you read that it’s actually bad for you, it’s really hard to imagine, but it really is true, whether we like it or not.

Give me some time girl :) I am reading the comments.

My objections to milk and milk products come mainly from the treatment of the animals. Cows who produce milk are impregnated yearly to keep their milk productions high, only to have their babies taken from them within a day or two of birth. Cows are not unfeeling beings with no sense of self like so many people want to believe. They cry for their young and often attempt to fight for them. And what is their “reward” for this? After just 4 or 5 years (their average lifespan is 15 to 20) their bodies are so worn down from the leaking of calcuim from their bones from constant milk production that they are no longer usefull so they are slaughtered and made into hamburger meat. What happens to their babies? They are shipped off in crates, which they are kept in, in the dark, tied down and not allowed to move for up to 6 weeks. This keeps their “meat” tender. Then they are slaughtered and made into veal.

All of this (and more that I haven’t gone into about their treatment), plus the controversy of how healthy milk is or isn’t for us, is enough for me to not buy milk. I also avoid milk products. Instead I use almond milk when I bake and when I want some sort of “milk” in my coffee, for instance.

Anyway, this subject is such a downer, but I really feel that people should know where their food is coming from and the conditions under which the animals used for it’s “production” are kept. I suggest everyone read Gail Eisnitz book “Slaughterhouse”.

Best to everyone,

Ruth

Hi Shaina,

You have a right to your opinion and I respect that. I would ask you, though, What is natural about drinking the milk of another species? No other animals on the planet do that. No other animals on the planet continue to drink milk after infancy, either. I’d say it’s a custom we’ve, as humans, formed over time, like shaving our legs… unnecessary (and in milk’s case, sometimes harmfull) but done anyway.

Thank you, I have learned a lot… I like cow’s milk and I have drank it for so long, but I was never aware of what I was actually drinking… I am so glad there are healthier choises out there.
Than you Zuzana for the workouts.. I looooooooove them.
Gaby Ecuador.

I used to drink a lot of milk, especially after I would get done with cross country in high school. Then, two years ago I got some lab results saying that I had developed lactose intolerance. Since then I’ve been drinking wonderful alternatives such as rice milk, almond milk and soy milk. All of these milks are delicious, full of natural nutrients, are only just a little more expensive than regular milk and low in calories. Even if I had the choice of drinking cow’s milk again I wouldn’t do it. I’ve learned to really really love the other milks!! You should realy give them all a try! :)

That looks really good Kristie! I will try that recipe soon. Just a different way to have my morning oats :)

I wasn’t sure where to submit a diet question, so I thought I’d do it here on the latest diet post. As with most people I know, I break down and binge now and again, and of course it depends on how other things are going in my life. My question is, what is the best method of getting back on track? If I break my diet and eat a whole pizza in the middle of the day, my inclination is to not eat much the rest of the day because I WAY exceeded my caloric allowance for the day… someone said I should get back on my diet immediately after and keep eating small meals as if the binge didn’t happen… what do you say? What is the best way of getting back on track?

HI Trace,

It happens to me sometimes too, and I either wait until I feel hungry again which might take even 4 hours or I try not to eat after 6pm. If it happens in the night, then there is not much you can do about it. If you slip during the day, then you have still chance to burn the extra calories. I wouldn’t worry about one pizza, because that won’t make such a big difference. I always try harder the next day which is in my opinion enough to get back on track.

Zuzana,

I think you are an awesome person, but I am surprised and a little disappointed you and Frederik are not vegan.

Ketusha

Cows Milk is for Babay cows. I try to not eat any milk or milk products unless its Yummy raw milk cheeses and even then its only a llittle every now and then.

I have a book that i Read and was amazed about what was in it, I think its a real Eye opener and i Recomend it to every one.

Its Called “Health Wars” Its by a man called Phillip Day If you can buy it on line At
http://www.credence.org

He has So may books!! he HAs a great recipe book Called Food for Thought, i Got it because im a chef and love trying to find healthy recipes that TAste GReat!

PLease check out this web Site and if you can Get the HEalth Wars Book and Read it. I think that if you Read it and learnore about what is in it, it would be an amazing way to help improve health . HE has a whole Chapter About Milk, MEat,Sugar, And my favorite section is on immunisations! Once you know about what is in them you never want one again unless it was absolutly important. i think that its important to learn as much from both sides of the argument so you can make informed decisions about your food and life.

PLEASE EVERY ONE, Check it out, the books are not expencive and found it so imformitive.A friend introduced it to me and i was just speachless about what i read in there.

This is a subject that im really intrested in. I am trying to make changes in my life that will keep me healthy and strong.

Well Zanna and Fredrick and fellow Body Rock Followers
i hope that you get the chance to read this bood and take from it what you can.

In the mean time, KEEP up the good work, You inspire me to exercise and be healthy (and so does my mum) BE happy and safe!

Love and peace
TESS!!

Hi guys..,
All i can say is that i recently found out i got a lactose intolerance problem so i can’t drink cow milk no more. I find this is so wierd that my body at my age of 32 changing diet preference from regular milk diet to other option. So i figured to try soy milk and no any digestion problem happen. And now i’m back on my regular morning diet of a glass of soy milk instead of regular cow milk everyday. Note: I’m about 5’7″ with 83kg weight, go to work monday to saturday and out running every sunday morning; but drink milk only after running. I feel good so far and thanks to Zuzana & Fred for great workout tips. Thank you.

If you want subjects and ideas on what to write about, I would love it if you could make a post where you give examples on how a typical day looks like when it comes to eating (when and what you eat, before/after workout etc), and how your typical week looks like when it comes to workout? (how many workouts, which days, and maybe links to which types of workout you combine in a week).
I would greatly appreciate it, as I am trying to chance my diet and start working out properly! I have already tried two of your workouts, and I think it’s great that I am able to do them at home. Even though I am not strong enough to to all the exercises and as many reps as you, I’m hoping I’ll get there!=) Keep up the good work!;)

Thanks for this guys! I wasn’t expecting a whole article about it.. This was very informative!

Thanks for such clear information, Isaac! We’ve been looking for a goat share close to our home, but it’s been hard to come by so far.

I know this blog is about milk but I have a question about fruit. Some may think this is absurd, but a lot of fitness models, etc. don’t eat much fruit. Maybe an apple here and there, but no bananas, etc. ever. Zuzana what are your thoughts on fruit? And is there any fruit you stay away from? I know this may seem like a crazy question to some, but I’ve heard many people in the fitness world rarely include fruit in their diet.
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Hi Jenny,

I would stay away only from the fruit that I don’t like and I can’t think of any right now. I like all the fruit and I eat it a lot. I also don’t really care at what time in the day I eat fruit. I eat it when I have cravings for it. I try not to eat too much at the evening, but I do have an apple when I feel hungry.

I workout for about 5 days a week and all I do are the daily workouts that I am sharing on this blog. I will make more posts about my diet in more details in the near future. I am sure that you will find a lot of useful tips in the articles about our diet that we have already posted.

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Thank you for great information. I wanted to see if you guys can talk about Genetically Modified Food. This is a big issue in America, where it is not regulated. Other countries have strict regulations, but here it seems like the FDA doesn’t really care about our health. I think this would be an interesting topic to talk about. Thank you in advance.

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That’s strange, because we are meat eaters and we don’t feel disappointed at all that you are vegan.

Thank you so much for the clear and concise information. I have read a lot about raw milk and would really like to give it a try. Do you have any information about where to buy raw milk? I’m from the States but am living abroad right now and don’t know where to start looking. Thanks again.

That’s the best reply I’ve ever heard. Good on you.

I, personally, don’t believe that cow’s milk is beneficial toward humans; it’s not at all similar to human milk, or even sheep or goat milk. There have been a few great studies done recently on sheep’s milk cheese that show it to be very good for us, as far as lowering bad cholesterol, protecting against illnesses and tacking a few more years onto your life.

I usually drink 1 cup skin milk when I mix a protein shake (9 extra grams of protein), but lately I’ve been avoiding milk and supplements. that being said I think all things in moderation, healthy calories are still calories, and will make you gain fat.
thanks for the great website Zuzana

Tania’s comment was the best so far!!!! It all boils down to doing what feels right in your body, and that everyone is different. :) Good common sense

i was a huuuuge milk fan until i found out that milk is not that healthy as i thoght was so i drink soya milk instead, but vanilla flavoured! :)

Well when I was a kid I was a big milk drinker but only with nesquik or cookies such as oreos or chocolate chip. But, has I got older and decided to get in shape I started drinking soy milk. In my opinion soy milk has a better taste than regular milk and has less fat. I never indulge in which i have a huge cold glass everyday I mostly use it to make oatmeal or in a bowl of cereal. What is your take zuzana on soy milk, rice milk and even almond milk?

I don’t drink milk. It’s got too much pus in it.

Sorry, for being so gross but it’s the truth;))

Cheers.

I am a vegan too and am not dis-a-pointed at anyone ;))

Baby´s should always be fed with human milk, not cow´s milk even if it is modified to make it like human milk.
Raw Goat Milk can cause Brucelosis, and it is not esay to cure one You have it.
I drink milk only once in a while, and eat dairy products a little more often. I think moderation is the answer for me.

I rarely drink milk straight out of the glass but when I do consume milk, it is skim and only around 3/4 cup to put in my morning oatmeal. My son, on the other hand, drinks milk every single day. He is 13 and he just loves it. I was buying whole vitamin d milk until he was around the age of 8 years old when he started gaining some weight and becoming chubby, I switched out to skim milk. He never even noticed!

Don’t know if you have this where you are but I prefer almond milk, tastes much better to me than animal milk. Plus their a superfood! I tried soy also but didn’t like the bitter aftertaste.

So glad you posted this comment!!! I am a huge fan of raw- unpasterized milk. There is so much research now proving how bad low fat milk is for you. I am a fan of http://www.westonaprice.org This site has fantastic info on raw milk.

(Please approve this Zuzana)

I know Zuzana this isn’t about milk… but as you might have guessed I am as passionate about nutrition/diet as you are about exercise (I am passionate about that as well)…

I think this is very important information for all vegans/vegetarians to be aware of and research!!… Besides we have already kinda covered peoples views about milk at this point…

Maybe this could be an idea for the next topic…
Should we eat meat? If so what kind of meat is best?

What are the differences between traditional grass-fed organic humanely raise meat and modern factory farmed grain-fed meat?

I know this is a sensitive topic (I was a vegan for one year myself) but I think it is one of the most important nutrition/diet topics…

Message for Ketusha (And all other Vegans)

First I must say that I am not trying to be insensitive to your choice… I understand how the vegan path sounds appealing…

I think the vegan diet is a very cleansing diet and for a few years it has many health benefits…

I completely respect your decision to be vegan… I myself was a vegan for one year (until I did some more research)… however, there are some FACTS and MYTHS you must know about the vegan diet…

TRY TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND

VEGAN MYTH #1: Vegans live longer and have more energy and endurance than meat-eaters.

Fact: The Aborigines of Australia, who traditionally eat a diet rich in animal products, are known for their longevity (at least before colonization by Europeans). In his book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, Dr. Weston Price has numerous photographs of elderly native peoples from around the world. Explorers such as Vilhjalmur Stefansson reported great longevity among the Inuit (again, before colonization). Similarly, the Russians of the Caucasus mountains live to great ages on a diet of fatty meat and whole raw milk products. The Hunzas, also known for their robust health and longevity, eat substantial portions of raw goat’s milk which has a higher saturated fat content than cow’s milk. In contrast, the largely vegetarian Hindus of southern India have the shortest life-spans in the world, partly because of a lack of food, but also because of a distinct lack of animal protein in their diets.

Fact: Dr. Weston Price traveled around the world in the 1920s and 1930s, investigating native diets. Without exception, he found a strong correlation between diets rich in animal fats, robust health and athletic ability. Special foods for Swiss athletes, for example, included bowls of fresh, raw cream. In Africa, Dr. Weston Price discovered that groups whose diets were rich in fatty meats and fish, and organ meats like liver, consistently carried off the prizes in athletic contests, and that meat-eating tribes always dominated tribes whose diets were largely vegetarian.

Fact: MAHATMA GANDHI almost died as a vegan, and on the advice of his doctor drank raw goat’s milk back to health.

VEGAN MYTH #2: Vitamin B12 can be obtained from plant sources.

Fact: There is not real B12 in plant sources… only B12 analogues–they are similar to true B12, but not exactly the same and because of this they are not bio-available. It should be noted here that these B12 analogues can impair absorption of true vitamin B12 in the body due to competitive absorption.

Fact: Some vegetarian authorities claim that B12 is produced by certain fermenting bacteria in the lower intestines. This may be true, but it is in a form unusable by the body. B12 requires intrinsic factor from the stomach for proper absorption in the ileum. Since the bacterial product does not have intrinsic factor bound to it, it cannot be absorbed.

That vitamin B12 can only be obtained from animal foods is one of the strongest arguments against veganism being a “natural” way of human eating. Today, vegans can avoid anemia by taking supplemental vitamins or fortified foods. If those same people had lived just a few decades ago, when these products were unavailable, they would have died. Vegans who do not supplement their diet with vitamin B12 will eventually get anemia (a fatal condition) as well as severe nervous and digestive system damage.

VEGAN MYTH #3: Animal products contain numerous, harmful toxins.

If meat, fish and eggs do indeed generate cancerous “toxins,” it is very strange that prior to the past 100 years or so people had not been dying from cancer and heart disease for the past million years. Hormones, nitrates and pesticides are present in commercially raised animal products (as well as commercially raised fruits, grains and vegetables) and are definitely things to be concerned about. However, one can avoid these chemicals by taking care to consume range-fed, organic meats, eggs and dairy products which do not contain harmful, man-made toxins.

It is often claimed by vegans that meat is harmful to our bodies because ammonia is released from the breakdown of its proteins. Although it is true that ammonia production does result from meat digestion, our bodies quickly convert this substance into harmless urea. The alleged toxicity of meat is greatly exaggerated by vegans.

VEGAN MYTH #4: The human body is not designed for meat consumption.

Fact: First and foremost is our stomach’s production of hydrochloric acid, something not found in herbivores. HCL activates protein-splitting enzymes. Further, the human pancreas manufactures a full range of digestive enzymes to handle a wide variety of foods, both animal and vegetable.

Fact: While humans may have longer intestines than animal carnivores, they are not as long as herbivores; nor do we possess multiple stomachs like many herbivores, nor do we chew cud.

Our physiology definitely indicates a mixed feeder, or an omnivore.

VEGAN MYTH #5: Soy products are adequate substitutes for meat and dairy products.

There is little doubt that the billion-dollar soy industry has profited immensely from the anti-cholesterol, anti-meat gospel of current nutritional thought. Whereas, not so long ago, soy was an Asian food primarily used as a condiment, now a variety of processed soy products proliferate in the North American market. While the traditionally fermented soy foods of miso, tamari, tempeh and natto are definitely healthful in measured amounts, the genetically modified hyper-processed soy “foods” that most vegetarians consume are not.

Fact: Non-fermented soybeans and foods made with them are high in phytic acid, an anti-nutrient that binds to minerals in the digestive tract and carries them out of the body. Vegetarians are known for their tendencies to mineral deficiencies, especially of zinc and it is the high phytate content of grain and legume based diets that is to blame. Though several traditional food preparation techniques such as soaking, sprouting, and fermenting can significantly reduce the phytate content of grains and legumes, such methods are not commonly known about or used by modern peoples, including vegetarians. This places them (and others who eat a diet rich in whole grains) at a greater risk for mineral deficiencies.

Fact: Processed soy foods are also rich in trypsin inhibitors, which hinder protein digestion. Textured vegetable protein (TVP), soy “milk” and soy protein powders, popular vegetarian meat and milk substitutes, are entirely fragmented foods made by treating soybeans with high heat and various alkaline washes to extract the beans’ fat content or to neutralize their potent enzyme inhibitors. These practices completely denature the beans’ protein content, rendering it very hard to digest. MSG, a neurotoxin, is routinely added to TVP to make it taste like the various foods it imitates.

Fact: On a purely nutritional level, soybeans, like all legumes, are deficient in cysteine and methionine, vital sulphur-containing amino acids, as well as tryptophan, another essential amino acid. Furthermore, soybeans contain no vitamins A or D, required by the body to assimilate and utilize the beans’ proteins. It is probably for this reason that Asian cultures that do consume soybeans usually combine them with fish or fish broths (abundant in fat-soluble vitamins) or other fatty foods.

Fact: Parents who feed their children soy-based formula should be aware of its extremely high phytoestrogen content. Some scientists have estimated a child being fed soy formula is ingesting the hormonal equivalent of five birth control pills a day. Such a high intake could have disastrous results.

Though research is still ongoing, some recent studies have indicated that soy’s phytoestrogens could be causative factors in some forms of breast cancer, penile birth defects, and infantile leukemia. Regardless, soy’s phytoestrogens, or isoflavones, have been definitely shown to depress thyroid function and to cause infertility in every animal species studied so far. Clearly, modern soy products an not healthy foods for vegetarians, vegans, or anyone else, yet these are the very ones that are most consumed.

VEGAN MYTH #6: The body’s needs for vitamin A can be entirely obtained from plant foods.

True vitamin A or retinol and its associated esters is only found in animal fats and organs like liver. Plants do contain beta-carotene, a substance that the body can convert into vitamin A if certain conditions are present (see below). Beta-carotene, however, is not vitamin A. It is typical for vegans and vegetarians (as well as most popular nutrition writers) to say that plant foods like carrots and spinach contain vitamin A and that beta-carotene is just as good as vitamin A. These things are not true even though beta-carotene is an important nutritional factor for humans.

Fact: The conversion from carotene to vitamin A in the intestines can only take place in the presence of bile salts. This means that fat must be eaten with the carotenes to stimulate bile secretion.

Fact: The body’s conversion from carotene to vitamin A is not very efficient: it takes roughly 6 units of carotene to make one unit of vitamin A. What this means is that a sweet potato (containing about 25,000 units of beta-carotene) will only convert into about 4,000 units of vitamin A (assuming you ate it with fat, are not diabetic, are not an infant, and do not have a thyroid or gall bladder problem).

Fact: Vitamin A is all-important in our diets, for it enables the body to use proteins and minerals, insures proper vision, enhances the immune system, enables reproduction, and fights infections.

VEGAN MYTH #7: Meat-eating causes osteoporosis, kidney disease, heart disease, and cancer.

Fact: All of the diseases mentioned are primarily 20th century occurrences, yet people have been eating meat and animal fat for many thousands of years. Further, as Dr. Price’s research showed, there were/are several native peoples around the world (the Innuit, Maasai, Swiss, etc.) whose traditional diets were/are very rich in animal products, but who nevertheless did/do not suffer from the above-mentioned maladies.

Fact: Dr. George Mann’s independent studies of the Maasai done many years after Dr. Price, confirmed the fact that the Maasai, despite being almost exclusive meat eaters, nevertheless, had little to no incidence of heart disease, or other chronic ailments. This proves that other factors besides animal foods are at work in causing these diseases.

Osteoporosis

Dr. Herta Spencer’s research on protein intake and bone loss clearly showed that protein consumption in the form of real meat has no impact on bone density. Studies that supposedly proved that excessive protein consumption equaled more bone loss were not done with real meat but with fractionated protein powders and isolated amino acids. Recent studies have also shown that increased animal protein intake contributes to stronger bone density in men and women. Some recent studies on vegan and vegetarian diets, however, have shown them to predispose women to osteoporosis.

Heart Disease

The belief that animal protein contributes to heart disease is a popular one that has no foundation in nutritional science. Outside of questionable studies, there is little data to support the idea that meat-eating leads to heart disease. For example, the French have one of the highest per capita consumption of meat, yet have low rates of heart disease. In Greece, meat consumption is higher than average but rates of heart disease are low there as well. Finally, in Spain, an increase in meat eating (in conjunction with a reduction in sugar and high carbohydrate intake) led to a decrease in heart disease.

Cancer

The belief that meat, in particular red meat, contributes to cancer is, like heart disease, a popular idea that is not supported by the facts. Although it is true that some studies have shown a connection between meat eating and some types of cancer, its important to look at the studies carefully to determine what kind of meat is being discussed, as well as the preparation methods used. Since we only have one word for “meat” in English, it is often difficult to know which “meat” is under discussion in a study unless the authors of the study specifically say so.

The study which began the meat=cancer theory was done by Dr. Ernst Wynder in the 1970s. Wynder claimed that there was a direct, causal connection between animal fat intake and incidence of colon cancer. Actually, his data on “animal fats” were really on vegetable fats. In other words, the meat=cancer theory is based on a phony study.

If one looks closely at the research, however, one quickly sees that it is processed meats like cold cuts and sausages that are usually implicated in cancer causation and not real grass-fed meat. Furthermore, cooking methods seem to play a part in whether or not a meat becomes carcinogenic. In other words, it is the added chemicals to the meat and the chosen cooking method that are at fault and not the meat itself.

Kidney Disease

Vegans will also typically claim that animal protein causes overly acidic conditions in the blood, resulting in calcium leaching from the bones and, hence, a greater tendency to form kidney stones. This opinion is false, however. Theoretically, the sulphur and phosphorous in meat can form an acid when placed in water, but that does not mean that is what happens in the body. Actually, meat contains complete proteins and vitamin D (if the skin and fat are eaten), both of which help maintain pH balance in the bloodstream. Furthermore, if one eats a diet that includes enough magnesium and vitamin B6, and restricts refined sugars, one has little to fear from kidney stones, whether one eats meat or not. Animal foods like beef, fish, and lamb are good sources of magnesium and B6 as any food/nutrient table will show.

Conclusion

The mainstream health and vegetarian media have done such an effective job of “beef bashing,” that most people think there is nothing healthful about meat, especially red meat. In reality, however, animal flesh foods like beef are excellent sources of a variety of nutrients as any food/nutrient table will show. Nutrients like vitamins A, D, several of the B-complex, essential fatty acids (in small amounts), magnesium, zinc, phosphorous, potassium, iron, taurine, and selenium are abundant in beef, lamb, pork, fish and shellfish, and poultry. Nutritional factors like coenzyme Q10, carnitine, and alpha-lipoic acid are also present. Some of these nutrients are only found in animal foods–plants do not supply them.

The fact that no human society is entirely vegan, and those that are almost entirely vegan suffer from debilitated conditions of health, seems unequivocally to prove that a long term plant diet must be supplemented with at least a minimum amount of meat or raw milk to sustain health. Humans are meat-eaters and always have been. Humans are also vegetable eaters and always have been, but plant foods must be supplemented by an ample amount of animal meat or at the very least raw milk to maintain optimal health.

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

SOY MILK and SOY PRODUCTS are not even remotely healthy foods!!

Fact: 90% of Soy is GMO (Genetically Modified)and it also has one of the highest percentages contamination by pesticides of any of the foods we eat.

Fact: Non-fermented soybeans and foods made with them are high in phytic acid, an anti-nutrient that binds to minerals in the digestive tract and carries them out of the body.

Fact: MSG, a neurotoxin, is routinely added to soy products to make it taste like the various foods it imitates.

Fact: Parents who feed their children soy-based formula should be aware of its extremely high phytoestrogen content. Some scientists have estimated a child being fed soy formula is ingesting the hormonal equivalent of five birth control pills a day.

Fact: Soy phytoestrogens, or isoflavones, have been definitely shown to depress thyroid function and to cause infertility in every animal species studied so far.

Not so long ago, soy was an Asian food primarily used as a condiment, now a variety of processed soy products proliferate in the North American market. While the traditionally fermented soy foods of miso, tamari, tempeh and natto are definitely healthful in measured amounts, the genetically modified hyper-processed soy “foods” that most people today consume are not.

Clearly, modern soy products an not healthy foods for vegetarians, vegans, or anyone else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9L5MJYfi2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjZs0DGW1Jk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdFVnJQJCRI&feature=related

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

I totally agree. Listen to your body and pay attention to what it tells you. Same for exercising and for what to eat.

Yes, and I don’t know any other species that actually cooks their food before eating it….so lets start eating our meat raw….since cooking is something like a habit we have formed. I guess you see my sarcasm here…at least I hope you do….

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Hey All,

Nice article. I have to say I 30 years old and I no longer even drink milk, and haven’t for 6 or 7 years. However, I do use it while cooking, baking and the occasional coffee drink. I do still eat some dairy, cheese and ice cream, however not often. I still get plenty of calcium from other sources and my doctors and myself consider me a very health and fit person(thanks to awesome workouts here).

Yosef

Hi,

First off thanks for all of your efforts on a great website!

Perhaps you have already heard of T. Colin Campbell, his China Study, Plant based nutrition course with Cornell U, 30 years of epidemiology regarding Animal Based Protiens, The Genetic Make up of cows milk and the connections to all of western civilizations health woes along with the recent industrialization of the third world and its similar health problems.

this information has already begun to alter the treatment of auto immune disorders by applying lifestyle changes in the form of plant based nutrition as well as medications.

Keep up the good work!!

Namaste

My friend you is a nutritionist told me that if you are looking to gain weight from muscle and you are already a healthy eater, then you should add 3 glasses of skim milk to your diet because it is full of proteins and does not have the fats for 2% or whole milk. I am not saying that this is what I believe or this is what I am doing, I am just telling you some of the info I have heard about milk. I would really like for you to maybe do an article on foods that you should be eating to lose weight and gain muscle mass. I know that they say these two things cannot be done at the same time, but I disagree. The more lean muscle you build, the more fat your body burns. So If you are working on your lean muscle, the fat will come off too. Maybe not the way it would come off if you are just doing cardio and cutting down on your calories, but working on your lean muscles means that you don’t have to lose any muscle while still burning fat. If you are not eating healthy though, then you are basically contradicting those actions. Anyway, if you are not eating a healthy diet and then you start to eat healthier and work on your muscle, I believe the fat will come off as well. I have been heavy weight training for the past year now and I have seen a huge difference in my body, and that is without changing my diet much. I do love my desserts though and especially my chocolate (I have one small piece of chocolate every morning), so I know that I will never been the leanest person in the world, but for now I am a size 0 in most stores and a size 4 in designer clothes. When I say heavy weight training, I am not talking bodybuilder style, bc to do that my diet would really have to change a lot! But I am definitely a lot more toned, my muscles have grown to a nice size, yet still feminine, and my body fat percentage has definitely decreased. Also, could you mention the calorie intake of people, or how to calculate it. So should a person focus on losing weight first and then focus on gaining some muscle mass, or can it be done together?

I didn’t mean my friend you…I had revised my previous sentence and I guess I forgot a word in there..oopsies!

Love you comment Shaina!
Whole milk is the best for you.
woman should drink 2-3 tall glasses a day.
If your bones crack….drink more.
I believe woman need more milk then men.
Woman need even more milk when they are preggers.
Your body’s skin needs fat to breath.
(That’s why you drink Whole Milk. It is good fat your body needs.)
It is very important to drink milk when you are young and old.
People who are scared of fat age faster and get wrinkly..eww
Your bones and joints need fat to keep lubricated.
Your skins needs fat to stay young.
Your pores need fat to breath. If you don’t consume fat those pores will not breath.
Skim, 2% and low fat milk will NOT do the job!!!!!
What a waste…It tastes gross too!

Come on people how is Whole Milk bad for you?
its natural..

I know there are people on here that drink the good old fashioned Whole Milk.
I am posting this for the people out there who think Whole Milk is the devil…And say:

“Ohh I only drink 2% because Whole Milk has fat in it…and I only use “I can’t believe Its Not Butter”
because don’t you know real butter has too much fat?

But its OK to eat processed soy products because its soy and soy is amazing for you.”

You wish you knew what you were talking about!!

How can you say, that milk is: Milk naturally is a whole perfect food… a gift of pure LOVE to the body from mother nature.??

How can you drink this? This is food from other ANIMAL – COW, and cow produce milk only for baby cow.
So tell me, are you COW?

-In milk there are COW hormons, do you need cow hormons?
-In milk (in USA) there are allowed up to 80 different antibiotics…because they feed cows with antibiotics, to stay health. But again, bad for you, because you get imune for dose antibiotics…and also, antibiotic is POISON.
-In milk there is mucus. Mucus is bad for lungs, and for digestive system. Highers the risks for getting cancer or other illnes.
When small cow grows up…what does she drinks?

I can go on and on…so tell me, are you human or cow?..because also cow doesn’t drink milk.

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Osteoporosis

Dr. Herta Spencer’s research on protein intake and bone loss clearly showed that protein consumption in the form of real meat has no impact on bone density. Studies that supposedly proved that excessive protein consumption equaled more bone loss were not done with real meat but with fractionated protein powders and isolated amino acids. Recent studies have also shown that increased animal protein intake contributes to stronger bone density in men and women. Some recent studies on vegan and vegetarian diets, however, have shown them to predispose women to osteoporosis.

Heart Disease

The belief that animal protein contributes to heart disease is a popular one that has no foundation in nutritional science. Outside of questionable studies, there is little data to support the idea that meat-eating leads to heart disease. For example, the French have one of the highest per capita consumption of meat, yet have low rates of heart disease. In Greece, meat consumption is higher than average but rates of heart disease are low there as well. Finally, in Spain, an increase in meat eating (in conjunction with a reduction in sugar and high carbohydrate intake) led to a decrease in heart disease.

Cancer

The belief that meat, in particular red meat, contributes to cancer is, like heart disease, a popular idea that is not supported by the facts. Although it is true that some studies have shown a connection between meat eating and some types of cancer, its important to look at the studies carefully to determine what kind of meat is being discussed, as well as the preparation methods used. Since we only have one word for “meat” in English, it is often difficult to know which “meat” is under discussion in a study unless the authors of the study specifically say so.

The study which began the meat=cancer theory was done by Dr. Ernst Wynder in the 1970s. Wynder claimed that there was a direct, causal connection between animal fat intake and incidence of colon cancer. Actually, his data on “animal fats” were really on vegetable fats. In other words, the meat=cancer theory is based on a phony study.

If one looks closely at the research, however, one quickly sees that it is processed meats like cold cuts and sausages that are usually implicated in cancer causation and not real grass-fed meat. Furthermore, cooking methods seem to play a part in whether or not a meat becomes carcinogenic. In other words, it is the added chemicals to the meat and the chosen cooking method that are at fault and not the meat itself.

Kidney Disease

Vegans will also typically claim that animal protein causes overly acidic conditions in the blood, resulting in calcium leaching from the bones and, hence, a greater tendency to form kidney stones. This opinion is false, however. Theoretically, the sulphur and phosphorous in meat can form an acid when placed in water, but that does not mean that is what happens in the body. Actually, meat contains complete proteins and vitamin D (if the skin and fat are eaten), both of which help maintain pH balance in the bloodstream. Furthermore, if one eats a diet that includes enough magnesium and vitamin B6, and restricts refined sugars, one has little to fear from kidney stones, whether one eats meat or not. Animal foods like beef, fish, and lamb are good sources of magnesium and B6 as any food/nutrient table will show.

Eating meat does weaken the bones in time. The reason? Meat is highly acidic food. Your body will try to neutralize the PH. The bones weaken because the body uses calcium to neutralize the blood PH. Why do you think doctors recommend people to consume calcium to strengthen their bones?!

Your kidney can process only about 100 grams of animal protein a day, anything more than that will stress your kidney and have the potential to have kidney disease.

High animal protein consumption shortens your life. There is already scientific lecture stating a low protein diet with reduce caloric intake will increase life span.

Animal protein is linked to heart disease. This is especially true when you are consuming protein that has been cooked in high temperature. The fats in the meat turns into cancer causing chemicals if cooked over 100 F.
If you don’t believe I suggest you do some research especially with the cancer institute.

If you can’t cure yourself from cancer it is known in Budwig diet that you have to stop eating meat completely. Budwig diet was developed by a German biochemist. Modern medicine try to treat illness with medicine which doesn’t even treat the root cause of the problem. Father of medicine stated, lLet be your mediine. Let medicine be your food.
Hippocrates used food, sunlight and other natural ways to treat illness.

I don’t know how the heck you can say meat with the skin can balance the PH of the blood. It does not your bones do. Best way to neutralize your blood PH is calcium, and milk is a poor choice. Broccoli is the best source of calcium.

Please if you’re going to say something at least do some research.

• The protein stored in the blood causes a reduced micro-circulation and contributes to thrombosis.

• The protein stored on the basal membranes of capillaries and on the walls of arteries causes arteriosclerosis.

• The protein stored inside the heart muscle causes cardiomuscular disease and heart attacks.

• The protein stored on the filters of the kidneys causes kidney disease.

• The protein stored in the liver blocks the only exit of the LDL cholesterol from the blood stream. Cholesterol that can’t leave the bloodstream through the liver contributes to arteriosclerosis.

• The protein stored on the membranes of body cells causes diabetes.

• The protein stored in the breasts of women contributes to the development of breast cancer.

• The protein stored in the prostate contributes to prostate cancer. ”

source:

http://www.biomedx.com/zeta/page6.html

I actually stopped drinking all cow’s milk a while ago and I try to avoid cheese as well. Cow’s milk is the most common food allergy in infants. And it could be just as similar as a rash or runny nose, but alot of times switching milk will improve the infants health. It just makes me wonder what is going on with cow’s milk that it can cause so many problems. Cow’s milk orginally was probably just fine, but it has become so processed.

I personally drink rice, soy, or almond milk. I make my own almond milk. Just blend up some almonds in water and filter the pulp out. It doesn’t taste that great but you could add some vanilla flavoring, but it tastes just fine in oatmeal.

Actually, dogs have nursed kittens and wolf pups if something happened to the mother.

Great reply!
Vegans preaching from their high horses are making the rest of us (vegans) seem like idiotic cult-like creatures.
What we put in our bodies is one of the most personal choices we make. Judging others for those choices only shows that you think you’re better – it doesn’t, by any stretch of the imagination, prove that you are.

Mihaela

well said :D

wow, too much information on this milk stuff. i tried rice milk and i didn’t finish the whole thing after a while it tasted nasty, soy milk i can pass it, almond milk i made some like how Nick said, and it wasn’t that bad at all; however it did rush me to the bathroom awhile after ;/,so idk i still have cows milk ;p

Sorry but I’m lactose in tollerent

Quote by: Michael K

Please if you’re going to say something at least do some research.

• The protein stored in the blood causes a reduced micro-circulation and contributes to thrombosis.
• The protein stored on the basal membranes of capillaries and on the walls of arteries causes arteriosclerosis.
• The protein stored inside the heart muscle causes cardiomuscular disease and heart attacks.
• The protein stored on the filters of the kidneys causes kidney disease.
• The protein stored in the liver blocks the only exit of the LDL cholesterol from the blood stream. Cholesterol that can’t leave the bloodstream through the liver contributes to arteriosclerosis.
• The protein stored on the membranes of body cells causes diabetes.
• The protein stored in the breasts of women contributes to the development of breast cancer.
• The protein stored in the prostate contributes to prostate cancer. ”

Isaac’s replay…

If this, “Scientific” nonsense information where true (which it isn’t) please explain a few historical facts to me Michael k…

In the early 1900’s Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who studied anthropology at the graduate school of Harvard University, documented the fact that the traditional Inuit people of Alaska and Canada lived on a diet of about 90% raw meat and fish, often going 6–9 months a year on nothing but raw meat and fish. Field physicians in the arctic noted that the Inuit were a remarkably healthy people. They did not develop the chronic diseases we now view as part of being human: tooth decay, overweight, heart attacks, appendicitis, constipation, diabetes and cancer. One of these physicians was Captain George B. Leavitt. He actively searched for cancer among the traditionally-living Inuit from 1885 to 1907. Along with his staff, he performed 50,000 examinations a year for the first 15 years, and 25,000 a year thereafter. He did not find one case of cancer in his 49 year career amount the Inuit of Alaska and Canada. At the same time, he was regularly diagnosing cancers among the crews of whaling ships and other Westernized populations. By the 1970’s after the Inuit had began consuming a modern diet, breast cancer had become a frequent form of malignancy.

According to your PH theory and protien theory if the Inuit lived on a diet of about 90% raw meat and fish (meat is acidic and high protein) shouldn’t the Inuit people have ALL been extremely acidic with osteoporosis and devastating diseases… lucky for them your theory is WRONG and they thrived with tremendous health (not one case of cancer was found in 49 years) and they had strong bones… hum interesting? Better wait for the next, “scientific theory”.

In the 1930’s a Harvard-trained dentist and nutritionist named Dr. Weston A Price traveled to five continents to observe primitive people, their diet, and the state of their health. He traveled to the remote valleys of Switzerland and to the rugged Outer Hebrides islands. He lived with the Inuit of Alaska and with various Indian tribes in Peru. Dr. Price recorded the lives of the Torres Strait islanders of Melanesia, the Polynesians, the Australian Aborigines, the Maori of New Zealand and the various tribes’ people in east and central Africa. In his book, “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration” Dr. Price wrote about the absolutely amazing endurance, stamina, physical strength, and natural beauty of all of the primitive people he lived and studied. Furthermore, he not only wrote about how they did not suffer from obesity, heart disease, cancer, but also documented that they had less than 1% tooth decay with naturally straight teeth.

Summary of Dr. Price findings

- Grass-fed animal products (Meat, raw dairy and eggs) made up a significant portion of ALL the primitive cultures.

- NO VEGAN cultures where found.

- The primitive diet was made up of 30-40% protein, 20-30% carbohydrates and 40%-50% fat. By comparison, the modern diet in the United States comprises roughly 15% protein, 50% carbohydrates and 35% fat.

- The primitive people obtained their carbohydrates from fruits and vegetables, not from refined grains.

- The majority of the fat in the primitive diet came from healthy omega 3 and saturated fat from grass-fed animals. Not from hydrogenated vegetable oils or trans fats.

Summary of Research

Isaac: Based on facts found from unbiased (non-funded) research on REAL cultures through REAL life applied first hand study over long periods of time.

Michael K: Based on, “scientific” theories about ph balance and how protein works in the body from, “scientific research” that is constantly changing and conflicting ever few weeks depending on who is funding the, “new scientific study” that week…
Assigned Reading Homework for Michael K:

- Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price
- Nourishing Traditions Sally Fallon and Mary Enig
- The Maker’s Diet by Jordan Rubin
- The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith
- The Untold Story of Milk by Ron Schmid
- Traditional Foods Are Your Best Medicine by Ron Schmid
- The No-Grain Diet by Joseph Mercola

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

I’m just saying I can’t drink milk or I will throw up and get this feeling like I have acid reflex and heart burn mixed together in my lungs.

Ketusha,
It’s bizarre that so many people like you want to make a freaking religion about their choice of diet. Maybe a bit too much time on your hands, get a hobby, knit or something :)

You bring up many good points, Isaac Neubert. But one thing you have not addressed: since becoming a vegetarian I feel much, much better. I feel healthier, have more energy, sleep less, and weigh less. I even can think more clearly. Plus, at the end of the day, I feel good about what I have ate.

Here is where you are thinking that when I became a vegetarian I paid closer attention to what I was consuming, and that is why I feel better, not just because I cut out meat.

Really, at the end of the day, it is not so much about what scientific research indicates about how you should feel as much as it is how you do feel. The fact is, my doctor says I am healthy, and more importantly I feel healthy–this is what is important to me. Yes, in the 1900′s the Inuit people who lived off of meat were remarkably healthy individuals, but that is not to say that there are no healthy vegans or vegetarians in the world. Really it comes down to a personal choice, I think.

I hope I am not coming off as bitter, I just wanted to put my two cents in. Also, since you are a nutritionist I have a question for you. What do you think about soy as a part of your diet WHEN you have been eating it since you were a teenager? I have heard that soy is bad for people when they all of a sudden start eating it when they are older, and that it isn’t bad when it has been a mainstay in your diet for a long time. I am interested in what you have to say.

Dear Katharine…

First of all I must say that I think it is wonderful that you feel much healthier, have more energy, sleep less, and weigh less since switching to a vegetarian diet! Like I said before I was a vegan for a year so I know how you feel… the vegetarian diet is a very cleansing diet and without a doubt has many short term health benefits. For example, if someone came to me with a serious illness I would them on a strict vegan diet with lots of fresh vegetable and kumut grass juice.

Furthermore, since 99% of the animal products being sold today are skeleton variations of what real healthy animal food once was… it makes logical sense that you would feel better after removing them from your diet. You might even feel better for 20+ years. However, unless you find some very high quality supplements… it is my opinion that eventually you will run into nutritional deficiencies.

If you decide to stay vegetarian I suggest that you…

Supplement on and off with a good (food sourced) iron supplement called, “blood builder” from a company called Mega Food. Other high quality whole food vitamin companies include Garden of Life and New Chapter.

http://megafood.com/products/vitamin-formulas/blood-builder/

http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/THEVITAMINCODE/TargetedNutrientFormulas/RAWIron/tabid/1643/Default.aspx

I would look into getting a high quality (whole food) B12 supplement as well…

http://megafood.com/products/vitamin-formulas/balanced-b-12/

http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/THEVITAMINCODE/TargetedNutrientFormulas/RAWB12/tabid/1644/Default.aspx

I would look into getting a high quality whole food protein powder (not to take every day but here and there)

http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/FoundationalNutrition/RAWProtein/tabid/1894/Default.aspx

http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/FoundationalNutrition/Goatein/tabid/652/Default.aspx

Also try to get some grass-fed organic fresh raw goats milk at least every couple of weeks. You don’t need a lot of animal products to be healthy long term (but you do need some).

If you ever do decide to go back to animal products you might find that you feel just as amazing if not more amazing eating organic grass-fed pasture raised raw or minimal cooked meat. I am not saying we have to be like the Inuit in order to be healthy… it is all about balance and common sense… however, it’s always good to keep an open mind…

After all, “the mind is like a parashoot, it works better when it’s open”.

My opinion on Soy? I highly suggest you get the book, “The Whole Story of Soy”.

Or at least watch these videos…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9L5MJYfi2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjZs0DGW1Jk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdFVnJQJCRI&feature=related

Good luck on your journey! I wise you truly the best!

Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

I drink Raw whole milk. It is very good for you, it has living enzymes in it that pasteurized homogenized milk does not have because those enzymes and good bacteria have been killed when heated up. Its pretty pricey and can be hard to find, you have to go to whole foods stores or order it online. But I highly recommend it and whole milk has really good fat in it that your body will thrive off. Check out http://www.Organicpastures.com They will explain why it is so beneficial to your body and if you are lactose and tolerant guess what you can drink this with no problems because of the living enzymes!

drink Raw if you are lactose in tolerant

I drink raw as well and feel great! I listen to seans videos and radio shows as well, thats what got me to drink it and I rarely am sick and feel so great!!

I have started to find in my late 20s now that milk does not like me! I react to dairy now when I never have before.
As a teenager I was a lazy vegetarian, meaning that I stopped eating meat and ate a lot more cereal! I also drank milk a LOT so I find it really strange that now my body is choosing to reject it.
All my favourite foods ar dairy based so it has been good for me in a way to cut out a lot of foods I shouldnt be eating and challenge me to try soy milk etc.
I am waiting to see if I can see the effects form removing the milk and notice a reduction in the tummy bloating I was suffering from.

Also just on a side note… Isaac, I also am a nutritionist, possibly working in a very different field to you I focus nore on weight loss and also work as a personal trainer, but I just wanted to mention the fact thht you say “Fact: Soy phytoestrogens, or isoflavones, have been definitely shown to depress thyroid function and to cause infertility in every animal species studied so far”
Would that include the Asian population that have been living on soy foods for the last couple of hundred years? Last time I checked they don’t have any problems with fertility.
You may want to check out recent research as well that has shown that cows milk has more estrogen than soy milk and that increased estrogen is what causes the issues you are talking about.
Also, non GMO soy is very easy to come by, you may be speaking stats for only the area you live in. In New Zealand the majority of soy products are non GMO soy products.

Just think, next time you want a glass of milk, consider how much you want to go and suck on your mothers tits. No? Didn’t think so. Humans are the only species who not only will continue to drink milk past infancy (the only time it’s needed) but also drink the milk of another species. It’s pretty gross when you really consider what it is and where it’s coming come.

Hi Zuzana,

I’ve read your article on body fat (you said yours was about 18% or under)… I’ve also read other articles from the so-called experts that a body fat too low (lower than 18%) can be harmful to women. but then you seem very healthy and energetic. and btw, u look really good, too. what’s your take on body fat %? is there a minimum that you should never be under? usually, i just try to eat healthy and exercise. my body fat % is 20.5% and some people said i can keep decreasing it and some said going too low would age you very badly in the long run (say after you’re 30).

There was an interesting experiment done in the late 1930′s involving around 900 cats. To one group of cats the scientists fed “regular” pasteurized milk, to the other group, they fed raw organic milk. In nature, cats stop drinking milk after their so called kittenhood, but in this experiment they continued feeding the cats milk for their entire lives.

What ended up happening was that the group that was fed raw organic milk remained healthy, their offspring several generations down were also healthy. The group that was fed the pasteurized milk ended up developing different chronic illnesses like osteoporosis, and the third generation of these cats became sterile, unable to reproduce.

What’s the lesson here? In normal circumstances, humans (and other animals), only drink milk during their childhood, we’re not meant to continue consuming it thereafter. Pasteurized milk is unnatural and much harder to digest than raw organic milk. Raw organic milk contains at least two key enzymes, lipase and lactase, which help break down fat and lactose in the gut, this means that raw milk digests itself. That’s why it’s perfect for infants and newborn animals because they haven’t yet developed their digestive systems. The fat from raw organic milk is also a good healthy type of fat, if consumed in moderation of course.

However, I would probably not buy raw organic milk from a supermarket, as it’s origin is hard to really know. And I’d definitely not buy raw industrial milk, as industry animals are very unhealthy and the milk is probably full of pathogens.

Skimmed “fat free” milk is even worse than regular pasteurized milk. It’s basically like drinking lactose, it’s only sugar and has very little nutritional value.

Organic pasteurized milk is a step up from the regular kind, but it’s still pasteurized so it doesn’t provide the benefits of raw milk.

Also, milk doesn’t contain that much calcium as a lot of it is also destroyed in the pasteurization process. The funny thing is that they measure the calcium content before pasteurization, and then stick it on the label. Foods such as almonds, sesame seeds, broccoli, spinach, papaya, organes etc. are other good sources of calcium.

Wow, so much passion in milk! Especially for the males:)

Each day I have one cup of SoGood soy milk (formulated for women – added folate, omega 3 ect.) on my muslie & Wheat Bix for breakfast and a mug of low fat cows milk to drink. I am fairly tall at 5feet10inches (178cm), I am strong, well built, I have never broken a bone, I have excellent teeth.

So there, in moderation it doesn’t seem to be harming me at least.

I have say 75g of natural unsweetened Jana Yogurt every 2 days. I usually have 2 slices of 50% reduced fat Bega cheese at lunchtime.

I think processed meat is a much bigger problem than this milk thing.

lol…. I just realised how many spelling mistakes I made.

Hi Zuzana,

I wanted to ask you for your opinion and personal insights on whey. Lately I’ve been hearing left and right how good it is for fat loss (specifically for abs) and gaining muscle. Is it really as good as it sounds? Do you take it yourself? Some of the health/food blogs I read talk about whey and putting it in their oatmeal, etc.

Liza

Since this topic is old all I’m going to add is a simple thought.

Milk as mentioned is a big corporate company still making plenty of profit and advertised to have plenty of nutrients and especially calcium which is great for strong bones and can fight osteoporosis which does effect women more so.

As a guy i don’t know the exact states for this on how much more it effects woman but the point i want to make with the sales continually on the rise for milk there has not been a decline in osteoporosis in north America at all but quite the opposite. getting calcium from vegetable sources is absorbed better into the body.

Now i’m also slightly lactose intolerant so i don’t drink milk or milk products if i have the choice and found after i stopped i lost alot of fat from my body with ease.

also another thought… they say salt is bad for you right? then how did our previous generations survive eating food preserved in salt for all those years? the thing is salt is not bad for you its the type of salt that is sold in stores that effects your body in different ways. while both are made from calcium table salt is chemical treated and void of other naturally occurring minerals and far less flavorful hence more is used in my opinion.

ANNND one has to think what dude looked at a cow and thought I’m going to suck on that utter. humans are the only animal that drinks milk after they weened of milk…..awkwaaaaard.

Bhu

I’m not a nutritionist but a very active and healthy 40 yr young. To keep my naturopath happy i’ve all but eliminated my gallon-a-week skim milk habit this past year and have to say that i am more energetic and noticebly more fit than I was a year ago. I have substituted mostly water and watered down fruit juices but miss the milk. Besides this dietary change, I have changed little else in the past year. Not sure what this really says about milk, but i’m still a huge milk fan and once in a while sneak a big glass of skim when nobody’s looking !

Hi all,
This morning I checked out the labels of the milk I mentioned. What do you think about the following:

The Soy Milk,
Per 250mL Per 100mL
Energy(kJ) 550 220
(cal) 132 53
Protein (g) 8.0 3.2
– Gluten (g) 0.0 0.0
Fat, Total (g) 3.8 1.5
– Saturated fat (g) 0.5 0.2
– Trans fat (g) 0.0 0.0
– polyunsaturated fat (g)2.5 1.0
-Omega 3 (alpha linolenic acid) (mg) 563 225
-monounsaturated fat (g) 0.8 0.3
Cholesterol (mg) 0.0 0.0
Carbohydrate, total (g) 15.8 6.3
– sugars (g) 5.3 2.1
– Lactose (g) 0.0 0.0
– galactose (g) 0.0 0.0
Dietary fibre (g) 0.8 0.3
Sodium (mg) 88 35
Potassium (mg) 338 135
Vitamin A (g) 113 (15%)* 45
Thiamine (mg) 0.25 (23%)* 0.1
Riboflavin (mg) 0.37 (22%)* 0.15
Vitamin B6 (mg) 0.35 (22%)* 0.14
Vitamin B12 (g) 0.5 (25%)* 0.2
Folate (g) 88 (44%)* 35
Vitamin C (mg) 20 (50%)* 8.0
Vitamin E (mg) 2.3 (23%)* 0.9
Calcium (mg) 375 (47%)* 150
Phosphorus (mg) 250 (25%)* 100
Iron (mg) 2.3 (19%)* 0.9
Isoflavone Aglycones (mg) 7.8 3.1

*Percentage of Recommended Dietary Intake (RDI)
** 1 serve provides 22% of the folate RDI for women of childbearing age.

The low fat COWS MILK,
per 100ml
Energy 163 kJ
-Cal 39
Protein 4g
Fat total 0.1
Cholesterol Nil mg
Carbohydrate total 5.4g
Sugars (lactose) 5.4g
Sodium 50mg
Calcium 140mg (note 250mL = 43% of RDI)

Apparently it also has some Vitamin B12, Vitamin B2, Magnesium, Phosphorous, Potassium & Zinc.

Oh by the way, I don’t drink coffee & I don’t have milk at any other time. I have a couple of relatives who are dairy farmers in Australia. They do not feed any of their cows or goats anything weird (they are vaccinated & wormed etcetera , eat hay/grass/water from dams), they only keep free range animals in quite large paddocks, they do milk them using some electronic thingies though to save time!

What about almond milk? That is what I drink.

Well, that is true about the soy milk…don’t let me post another loooong article about soy :D

Anyway, if you have cravings for milk. Substitute it with raw nut milk. It’s so light delicious and even very nutritious. Here are two basic recipes how to make it:

Vanilla Almond Milk:
1/2 cup almonds
1/2 cup pitted dates
1 vanilla bean
Pinch sea salt (unrefined)
5 cups water

Put the almonds, dates, vanilla bean, salt and water in the blender and blend until smooth. Will keep for 4 days in the fridge.

You can also try just plain nut milk. For smoother milk you’ll need:

1/2 cup almonds (Soak in a bowl in the refrigerator overnight and rinse before using)
5 cups water.

To make raw almond milk blend the soaked almonds with the water until smooth. Then strain the mixture through a sprout bag, cheesecloth, or strainer into a big bowl. You can also save the almond pulp in a container and put in the refrigerator for later use. I usually use it for amazing and delicious raw cakes… even non raw eaters love them….yum! :)

I’d like to add to Johan’s comments. Most humans are lactose intolerant–nature’s way of saying stop drinking milk after the age of say, 5 years old. Those of European descent, however can continue drinking milk into their 30′s, 40′s and some their entire life. This was a natrually selected result of the Northern European environment thousand of years ago (less sunlight means less vitamin D even with a lower amount of melanin in the skin to absorb more sunlight). So something like drinking milk, that most people of European descent (and some North African) take for granted is not a luxury most humans can take advantage of. This is why many cultures consume milk by-broducts either by drinking sour milk in many parts of Asia (in which the lactose is broken down), or yogurt or hard cheeses for the same reason.

As the third world has always been a dumping ground for first world surpluses, this detail was learned the hard way when milk surpluses were sent to poor countries and many fell ill from the ‘help.’ Lactose free milk, however has now been developed so technology has found a solution to this problem.

And as Johan said, there are many ways to get calcium into your diet–the advertising campaigns are just for dairy farmers. And as far as Vitamin D, a little bit of sunlight every day will help your calcium absorbtion.

I should add that I enjoy a nice, cold glass of milk from time to time. They go particularly nice with Oreos!

A few comments for Johan, just happened to stumble upon this site & article; it caught my attention.

If pasteurized milk truly was so harmful to an organism’s germ line cells’ dna (causing recessive mutations that eventually lead to inherited infertility), wonder why we humans still haven’t seen an explosive rise in infertility since the dawn of pasteurization, and why infertility rates don’t show significant differences between us (milk-gobbling westerners) and non-milk-eating people.

The bodies of healthy (mature) western people produce abundant lipase & lactase. Most non-milk-consuming people have very little lactase excretion in their system, meaning that they haven’t adapted to digesting milk after childhood. We have. Those who haven’t, are diagnosed with lactose intolerance.

Lipase is excreted by the pancreas in all healthy humans. Bile salts are equally important in digesting fat, and additional intake of lipase alone does not provide a very significant increase in the overall digestion speed of fat (triacylglycerids.)

Skimmed “fat-free” milk is by no means just sugar. It contains plenty of proteins (just like its “precursor”), most notably lactoglobulin, which is a fairly good source of branched-chain amino-acids (the liver can’t break convert these to glutamin, so they’re great for rapidly replenishing muscles (=inhibiting catabolic effects) after a workout.

Btw pasteurization does damage the conformation (structure) of proteins (rendering enzymes useless etc.), but that has no nutritional effect in healthy people, since virtually all protein is broken down to AAs before digestion. Intake of intact proteins would cause an allergic reaction in every case, since the proteins are recognized as antigens. They are coming from a different species, after all.

Documented protein aggregation in skimmed & pasteurized milk is minor, and has little significance on the overall digested amino-acid content. Usually vitamin D is also added to make up for the loss during the skimming process.

I don’t mean to attack against you (or anybody), just to show the other side of things. I’m a med student & fitness enthusiast. And I don’t even drink milk, it just tastes so awful, especially the fatty sorts. Yuk! :D

Thats cool that you tried it. This winter Ive been making almond hot chocolate. You put the almond milk in a kettle, add some cocco, heat it up till it is as warm as you like it, then add stevia and vanilla flavoring. Yum!

me TOO. I cant stand the taste of cow milk anymore! and dairy is no good. No good at all. This is just hearsay but it apparently leached more calcium out of your bones than it gives. I may have actually read that somewhere. I will try to find it and post..

Processed meat is just as big of a problem. But cow milk, to me, is much worse. Hormones, keeping female cows pregnant their entire lives so they will produce more milk, and especially the conditions these cows are raised in; poop up to their knees. And btw those udders hang below that. Gross.

Humans are not the only species that continue to drink milk past infancy. Any omnivorous or carnivorous species (excluding herbivorous species as they do not typically recognize animal products as food) would drink milk at any stage of life, if they were able to get it. It is not necessarily the best thing for them – they probably wouldn’t digest it well since they’d have stopped producing lactase – but since they have the instinct to eat all the food they can since it’s hard to come by, they’d drink it for sure. People give cats milk all the time – they drink it readily. (Not that I am condoning that, but it’s undeniable that it happens.) If you left a bowl of milk (milk of any animal, not necessarily a cow’s) out in the forest, some raccoon, coyote, or other four legged beast would come drink it. It is seem as food by them. Therefore your statement, “Humans are the only species who not only will continue to drink milk past infancy (the only time it’s needed) but also drink the milk of another species”, is untrue, excepting that infancy is the only time that milk is the sole provider of the body’s nutrition and is therefore the only time it’s needed. The only reasons for a human to not drink cow’s milk lies in the moral and ethical values of the individual person. There are no proven detriments to health in the adult animal, besides that milk is difficult to digest for some animals that lack the proper enzyme. I accept that many people find the origin of milk to be disgusting, but I am very tired of hearing the erroneous statement about humans being the sole milk-drinkers as adults.

Before you make comments about the condition, sanitation, or treatment of cows on dairy farms, why don’t you go and visit one? If you don’t like the conditions the cows are in, don’t buy milk from that farm. Milk doesn’t usually get shipped very far from the farm to the store, so I’m sure you’d have no trouble finding a dairy farm in your area that produced the milk you can buy at your local grocery. I’ve visited several dairy farms in my area. The cows will not produce any milk at all if they are not healthy, and happy (low stress basically), so they can’t be kept in unsanitary or crowded conditions. The conditions on a dairy farm must be extremely, extremely clean. The reason being, e. coli bacteria is found in all animal’s feces. If there is any e. coli found in a tank of milk, which is tested before it goes to factory to be bottled, the farmer has to buy the entire tank, which is then disposed of, meaning the farm takes a great economic loss. Therefore in the milking house everything is 110% sanitized, sanitized, sanitized. The udders are cleaned before the cow is milked. So there is really no reason to worry at all about the milk you drink being tainted from an udder touching feces.
The first calving for a heifer is at 24 months, then they have about 4-5 more, once a year, until their productive lifespan is over. This is probably close to what would happen in nature also. After the productive life they are sent to slaughter, but their meat is not good quality so is usually used for processed meat. Due to the fact that the cows are not able to live a natural lifespan (12-15 years with proper nutrition), many people find it unethical to drink a cow’s milk. Don’t assume it is because all dairy farms are unsanitary and treat the cows poorly, because that is typically not the case. It may happen, if the farmer is a complete jerk or moron who doesn’t know what he or she is doing.

hi guys!ive recently made the switch over to a food combining way of eating and milk is not really a part of this way of eating.for those that dont know, food combining is not a diet but a way of eating for improved digestion.we dont combine meat and potatoes for instance and its all based on the science of digestion and digestion times for different foods.my health has improved REMARKABLY in the last 26 days doing food combining. according to the founders of this concept, milk doesnt really combine with anything….nothing…….now, this is hard to swallow so to speak for me-being from north america i have been hooked on my milk from a child….the hardest part of this eating plan for me is giving up my cereal with milk in the morning.but trust me….i am better for it….the difference in my digestion and energy levels is unbelieveable…i still indulge in milk however, not with anything else.only on its own and in the evening a few hours after my last meal.and only occasionally.yogurt i eat 3 times a week, and again, alone.and plain…..haha….booooooooooooringggggggggggggg………i know……….i used to throw in nuts and cereals and seeds and all that…..my favorite treat……but from the perspective of digestion, i will NEVER go back to that way of eating.i have been doing alot of reading lately about dairy……alot of people believe that humans were never meant to consume dairy…..this is why we are lactose intolerant….we lack the proper enzymes to digest dairy….in a way, i agree….but only because i know that as far as MIXING dairy with other foods, it was killing me………i cant give up dairy completely…..i love my occassional lowfat cheese and yogurt……..but i have cut down on the dairy and not only have i dropped some weight(not intentionally…ima personal trainer and in good shape and at a weight that is healthy).,but i believe that if we dont consume AS MUCH dairy, our health will dramatically improve….the levels of mucus in the body is reduced, therefore reducing our chances of infection, colds, flus and the like…….i also get my recommended calcium allowance through other foods, so…….oh my,………..oreos with a glass of milk is sounding REALLLLLLLLLLY good right now!!!!
xoxo
rose.

I wanted to share this link on milk: http://kardenaskitchen.com/2010/01/milk-myth-busting/

Zusana, thanks for the balanced approach to the subject. I think you nailed it when you said that “milk is a big, fundamental food group”. So it should be treated just as any other food… Just adjust the amount you drink to your dietary needs.

The issue with soy in the US, not even considering for a moment the huge problems with GMO soy, is that in the Asian societies it is often fermented and eaten differently than it is here, which leads to more of the infertility type problems we are seeing here. The fermented soy tends to be less of a problem in the Asian communities. That’s part of the reason they can eat so much soy. Tempeh, not tofu!

Lal says:
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“Would that include the Asian population that have been living on soy foods for the last couple of hundred years? Last time I checked they don’t have any problems with fertility.

You may want to check out recent research as well that has shown that cows milk has more estrogen than soy milk and that increased estrogen is what causes the issues you are talking about.”

Isaac Response
Living on Soy? What Asian population are you talking about? That might be how the massive “over night” billion dollar Soy marketers have made it look to the North American population that will believe any and everything they hear… ABOUT NEW MIRACLE FOODS…

I highly highly doubt that organic grass-fed pasture raised raw goats milk is high in estrogen…

I could, however, see how drugged up factory farmed mutant milk could be… which is what those studies where probably on… it is important to always read the fine print of studies… not all milk is the same… so you have to make sure you know what kind of milk the study was done on…

Not so long ago, soy was an Asian food primarily used as a condiment, now a variety of processed soy products proliferate in the North American market. While the traditionally fermented soy foods of miso, tamari, tempeh and natto are definitely healthful in measured amounts, the genetically modified hyper-processed soy “foods” that most vegetarians consume are not.

WHAT ABOUT SOY MILK?

SOY IS NOT A HEALTH FOOD… IF IT IS UNFERMENTED IT IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS FOODS TO CONSUME…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9L5MJYfi2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjZs0DGW1Jk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdFVnJQJCRI&feature=related

Read the book, “The whole story of soy”. (600 Pages of reasons why Soy was never meant to be consumed by humans)

Do some research on how…

Soy was traditionally only used in crop rotation to fix nitrogen for the soil…

How 90% of Soy is now genetically modified…

How Soy damages the thyroid…

How soy is the highest phytoestrogen food…

ONCE AGAIN SOY IS NOT A HEALTH FOOD!!!!!!!

Fact: Non-fermented soybeans and foods made with them are high in phytic acid, an anti-nutrient that binds to minerals in the digestive tract and carries them out of the body. Vegetarians are known for their tendencies to mineral deficiencies, especially of zinc and it is the high phytate content of grain and legume based diets that is to blame. Though several traditional food preparation techniques such as soaking, sprouting, and fermenting can significantly reduce the phytate content of grains and legumes, such methods are not commonly known about or used by modern peoples, including vegetarians. This places them (and others who eat a diet rich in whole grains) at a greater risk for mineral deficiencies.

Fact: Processed soy foods are also rich in trypsin inhibitors, which hinder protein digestion. Textured vegetable protein (TVP), soy “milk” and soy protein powders, popular vegetarian meat and milk substitutes, are entirely fragmented foods made by treating soybeans with high heat and various alkaline washes to extract the beans’ fat content or to neutralize their potent enzyme inhibitors. These practices completely denature the beans’ protein content, rendering it very hard to digest. MSG, a neurotoxin, is routinely added to TVP to make it taste like the various foods it imitates.

Fact: Parents who feed their children soy-based formula should be aware of its extremely high phytoestrogen content. Some scientists have estimated a child being fed soy formula is ingesting the hormonal equivalent of five birth control pills a day. Such a high intake could have disastrous results.

Though research is still ongoing, some recent studies have indicated that soy’s phytoestrogens could be causative factors in some forms of breast cancer, penile birth defects, and infantile leukemia. Regardless, soy’s phytoestrogens, or isoflavones, have been definitely shown to depress thyroid function and to cause infertility in every animal species studied so far.

Clearly, modern soy products an not healthy foods for vegetarians, vegans, or anyone else, yet these are the very ones that are most consumed.

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

The DARK Side Of Soy – America’s
Favorite ‘Health’ Food

How Much Soy Do Asians Really Eat?
Those who dare to question the benefits of soy tend to receive one stock answer: Soy foods couldn’t possibly have a downside because Asians eat large quantities of soy every day and consequently remain free of most western diseases. In fact, the people of China, Japan, and other countries in Asia eat very little soy. The soy industry’s own figures show that soy consumption in China, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan ranges from 9.3 to 36 grams per day.1 That’s grams of soy food, not grams of soy protein alone. Compare this with a cup of tofu (252 grams) or soy milk (240 grams).2 Many Americans today think nothing of consuming a cup of tofu, a couple glasses of soy milk, handfuls of soy nuts, soy “energy bars,” and veggie burgers. Infants on soy formula receive the most of all, both in quantity and in proportion to body weight.

In short, there is no historical precedent for eating the large amounts of soy food now being consumed by infants fed soy formula and vegetarians who favor soy as their main source of protein, or for the large amounts of soy being recommended by Dr. Andrew Weil, Dr. Christiane Northrup, and many other popular health experts.

Soy and the Thyroid: A Pain in the Neck
More than 70 years of human, animal, and laboratory studies show that soybeans put the thyroid at risk. The chief culprits are the plant hormones in soy known as phytoestrogens or isoflavones. The United Kingdom’s Committee on Toxicology has identified several populations at special risk: infants on soy formula, vegans who use soy as their principal meat and dairy replacements, and men and women who self-medicate with soy foods and/or isoflavone supplements in an attempt to prevent or reverse menopausal symptoms, cancer, or heart disease.

Infants with congenital hypothyroidism need 18 to 25 percent higher doses of thyroxine drug than usual if they are bottle-fed with soy formula. Likewise, adults who boost their thyroid with drugs such as Synthroid while also eating thyroid-inhibiting foods such as soy put extreme stress on their thyroids. Toxicologist Michael Fitzpatrick, PhD, points out that this is the way that researchers induce thyroid cancers in laboratory animals.

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

Are we over the joy of soy? Yet…

It’s in everything from chewing gum, chocolate and bread to microwave meals, frozen pizzas and processed meat.

A growing body of research suggests a worrying link between excess soy consumption and fertility problems in both men and women.

This is because soy contains chemicals called phytoestrogens, which can mimic the female hormone oestrogen and disrupt the body’s normal production of sex hormones.

Most men believe their soy intake is relatively low. But if they eat refined foods – the everyday items on supermarket shelves – they are probably mistaken. So they may be unwittingly lowering their sperm count.

Soy is not just in traditional blokey packet foods such as meat pies, sausages and sliced bread; it’s also in protein bars, shakes and kilojoule-controlled frozen meals.

Dr Geoffry De Iuliis, of the University of Newcastle in New South Wales, co-led a study into the impact of environmental oestrogens on human sperm last year. He and his team found high levels of genistein – a phytoestrogen compound found in soy – caused stress on sperm, leading to DNA damage, which has been linked to reduced fertility and increased risk of miscarriage.

ABOUT 60% OF ALL PROCESSED FOODS… now contain soy phytoestrogens, says Sheena Lewis, professor of reproductive medicine at Queen’s University Belfast in Northern Ireland.

In Australia, the Australian Food and Grocery Council estimates that soy is in about 50 per cent of foodstuffs. The council expects this figure to rise over the next decade.

“Over the past 50 years, fertility rates have declined across Europe and Australia, making infertility an urgent public health issue,” Professor Lewis says.“Recent studies report that sperm counts of young men are now so low that they reflect a generalised decrease in male fecundity and may be a major cause of this decreased pregnancy rate.”

This trend has occurred, she says, while phytoestrogens have become more common in food.

Why is soy in every food all of a sudden?

Answer:

Monsanto owns all our food and 90% of Soy is genetically modified…

Soy is very cheap to mass produce…

Population control… I know it sounds weird but think about it… humans are destroying the planet and unless we change our rate of consumption (highly unlikely) or rate of population increase… the world is in big trouble… I am not saying for sure this is why… but it is a compelling theory…

Do some research on how they are giving Soy formula to poor neighborhoods all across the US… some scientists have estimated a child being fed soy formula is ingesting the hormonal equivalent of five birth control pills a day. Such a high intake could have disastrous results.

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

Thank you Isaac for this very brief and to the point post.

To many people want to put their heads in the sand concerning the many products that have been pushed on society just to sell a product that they are producing just so that they can make a profit, or get rid of something that they have no other use for ,or that is costing them millions of dollars to get rid of, so instead they find a way to sell it to the public and tell them that it is good or nutritious for them.
Soy and the many different products made from soy is just one of these.

Others on my list are.
Floride/Florine
Canola oil
Any hydrogenated oils.
homogenization,
Antibiotics,
Pasteurization
To just list a few.

And voting…..How many votes does it take to vote the panties off of an unwilling woman?
The answer is that it doesn’t matter how many votes there are, no one has that right, no one.
Now just put that to anything else that is voted on.
Voting is an criminal act.

again thank you Isaac.

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By:Kalevi

“Skimmed “fat-free” milk is by no means just sugar. It contains plenty of proteins (just like its “precursor”), most notably lactoglobulin, which is a fairly good source of branched-chain amino-acids (the liver can’t break convert these to glutamin, so they’re great for rapidly replenishing muscles (=inhibiting catabolic effects) after a workout. Btw pasteurization does damage the conformation (structure) of proteins (rendering enzymes useless etc.), but that has no nutritional effect in healthy people, since virtually all protein is broken down to AAs before digestion. Intake of intact proteins would cause an allergic reaction in every case, since the proteins are recognized as antigens. They are coming from a different species, after all. Documented protein aggregation in skimmed & pasteurized milk is minor, and has little significance on the overall digested amino-acid content. Usually vitamin D is also added to make up for the loss during the skimming process.”

Isaac’s response:

Raw milk contains lactic-acid-producing bacteria that protect against pathogens. Pasteurization destroys these helpful organisms, leaving the finished product devoid of any protective mechanism should undesirable bacteria inadvertently contaminate the supply.

Raw milk in time turns pleasantly sour while pasteurized milk, lacking beneficial bacteria, will putrefy. But that’s not all that pasteurization does to milk. Heat alters milk’s amino acids lysine and tyrosine, making the whole complex of proteins less available; it promotes rancidity of unsaturated fatty acids and destruction of vitamins. Vitamin C loss in pasteurization usually exceeds 50%; loss of other water-soluble vitamins can run as high as 80%.

Pasteurization alters milk’s mineral components such as calcium, chlorine, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, sodium and sulphur as well as many trace minerals, making them less available.

Pasteurization, destroys all the enzymes in milk— in fact, the test for successful pasteurization is absence of enzymes. These enzymes help the body assimilate all bodybuilding factors, including calcium. That is why those who drink pasteurized milk may suffer, nevertheless, from osteoporosis.

Lipase in raw milk helps the body digest and utilize butterfat.

After pasteurization, chemicals may be added to suppress odor and restore taste. Synthetic vitamin D2 or D3 is added — the former is toxic and has been linked to heart disease while the latter is difficult to absorb.

The final indignity is homogenization which has also been linked to heart disease.

Powdered skim milk is added to the most popular varieties of commercial milk— one-percent and two-percent milk. Commercial dehydration methods oxidize cholesterol in powdered milk, rendering it harmful to the arteries.

High temperature drying also creates large quantities of nitrate compounds, which are potent carcinogens.

Modern pasteurized milk, devoid of its enzyme content, puts an enormous strain on the body’s digestive mechanism.

In the elderly, and those with milk intolerance or inherited weaknesses of digestion, this milk passes through not fully digested and can clog the tiny villi of the small intestine, preventing the absorption of vital nutrients.

All the healthy milk-drinking populations studied by Dr. Price subsisted on raw milk, raw cultured milk or raw cheese from normal animals eating fresh grass or fodder. It is very difficult to find this kind of milk in America.

Research has known since the 1930′s that pasteurized milk does not and can not increase bone density… when you pasteurize milk you completely denature and destroy the enzyme phosphatase… without phosphatase it is impossible to adsorb the calcium present in milk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKxnPfwdWB8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr5pl6lgjJ8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHcyAH0rOPE&NR=1

Don’t believe me… do some real research… I am not just talking about reading funded research papers by the massive billion dairy industry!

After truly researching the difference between factory farmed drugged up pasteurized milk (Man’s Mutant Milk) and organic grass-fed pasture raised raw milk (Nature’s Original Milk)…

It would be an understatement to say that the difference is night and day…

Raw milk is real milk…

Always has been always will be…

Hopefully one day common sense will win out over billion dollar lobby groups…

Common sense: Would you pasteurize mothers milk?

-Isaac

PS. I am a nutritional researcher… email me at the_future_11@hotmail.com if you have any further questions… or want to compare research…

Hi I have small kids what should I be giving them for calcium? RIce milk is not an option. I don’t like to give them calcium supplements.

Thanks
Karol
AUSTRALIA

Hi,
“… a worrying link” or correlation does not necessarily mean causation.

But, I would agree that too much of anything (soy, food or exercise) will have a negative effect once it exceeds an ‘equilibrium’ point.

Best wishes for your research.

i am twenty year old male and have been drinking an abundance of mile my entire life. for at least the last 10 years i have been drinking 1-3, usually at least 2 liters of milk a day. while i could do withouth the cows being injected with hormones that can cause cancer, expecially since i drink so much, the fat isnt as unhealthy as you would find in some fries and it is a source of protein. yes there may be a lot of calories but they arent exactly just empty calories like you would find in a double cheeseburger. i am not some kind of bodybuilder but do like to work out, and sometimes you need the calories just as much as you would need the protein. i love to drink milk its almost all i drink and i feel just fantastic

Try “Salba” You canorder it online or go to a local Farmer’s Market Grocery store like Sprouts or Whole Foods, It’s got a ton of great nutrients and the taste is neutral! I include this is my workouts. I’m training to run 22 miles in 24 hours relay style for a charity, starting off as I never ran long distances, I was able to reach 2 miles before cramping in my sides and so on, with Salba I reach 5 miles on a tread mill with 5% incline at 7mph nonstop. It is a seed that you can purchase in either whole seed form (very tiny) or milled version. I usually put it in my oatmeal, pancakes, breads, etc…

You can learn more about it on their site http://www.Salba.com

Fortunately even though we may not see Raw Milk sold in stores for years! (unless you make your voice heard) You can still purchase it at local Dairies, just have to do the research to find one and what method to get it. There are many benefits to Raw milk over the pasteurized garbage.

To Lal the Nutritionist;

Unfortunately, a lot of so called “acceptable” eating habits known to the mass public or taught by people such as yourselves are not comprehensive. What I mean by this is exactly what Paul mentioned–the US (and Canada) are VERY unique in the way they process and harvest food! This isn’t news and I don’t understand why “clinical …. (you name it) ” here appeal to the way “other countries doing it, doesnt harm them” method. It’s just not logical. We have totally different standards and completely different methods.

I gave up milk years ago and most dairy products and supplemented the calcium with actual pills and more broccoli (did you know sprouts have 8 times more calcium in them then 1 glass of milk?).

Here in Canada, a farmer won a case that was getting a lot of attention about selling his own raw milk. He won.
And good for him. He should be able to sell his product without big brother butting in, especially when there is no risk. Everything is so damn regulated here, it makes me sick.

Don’t worry about wrinkles Zuzana! Smile more and live life more cheerful(not saying you’re not happy). A person who smiles is already beautful so SMILE SMILE SMILE!! :D

I have a question for the milk experts. Why do humans drink cows milk? Shouldn’t we be drinking human milk. Should we be drinking milk at all? Every living mammal on this planet is born to drink its mother’s milk, something about genetics and the cycle of nature I assume, then in its natural environment without human intervention it never drinks milk again. So what’s the story with us humans? Just because we can doesn’t me we should. What does your common sense tell you to do?

Humans may be the only ones who continue to drink milk after infancy, but we also have 4x the brain mass of every other mammal on the planet. Ever wondered why this may be so? Milk is designed to help the young grow. It is rich in growth factors and has its own built in insulin to maintain stable blood sugar levels. It is an extremely nutritious food, and only requires a small amount to nourish the body. We worked out long ago (around 10,000 years or so) that we could herd animals and drink their milk. This allowed us more time to develop as intelligent beings and grow intellectually. The fat soluble vitamins (A,D,E,K2) in milk that is consumed in its natural state allow for every hormone we have to be made & allow us to function in optimal health. But not all milk is created equal. Happy cows, raised outside produce nutrient dense milk. Consuming this milk in it’s whole state, unheated and unhomogenised is the easiest way to digest milk as the delicate proteins of the milk have not been heated and denatured. There is so much material available online to read up on this. I have been drinking unadulterated milk for the last 3 years and have seen my health and body go from strength to strength- decreased body fat, improved recovery time from training and hormonal stability that I have never experienced before. Soy, almond or any other milk substitute just can’t provide that kind of life giving nourishment- because they’re not a whole food they’re substitute foods. Happy drinking guys! And thanks for all the bodyrock inspiration. Zuzana is my new training inspiration xx

How fast can I see muscle definition?

Once again, thank you for introducing me to the works of Michael Pollan. He is an amazing journalist. And I get so much info just from reading all of the comments from your blogs… I love it. So, almond milk it is then?

Goat milk is the BEST for you and your BODY

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=131

http://www.saanendoah.com/compare.html

And what about the idea that milk is a perfect absorbent for radioactive strontium-90? I haven’t found convincing information pro and contra yet.
2) Susanna, you’re great. I am grateful to you so much for your workouts. I belive this is the world of fitness that was hidden in gyms with costly personal couches who train cindy crawford etc, and you’re just giving it away increasing the amount of simply healthy people. How much time would it have taken me to find all that out? Especially taking into account my current tough financial situation with no help at all from any relatives… Your sports spirit helps me to even manage quite another problems. A couple of combined simple exercises, both plesurable and making the heart work – this is exactly what I need, because my unavoidable hours before the computer drive crazy. I have finally found excellent cardiotrainings! Your exercises are both simple and effective. And it’s just so right to share it, earning the entire world’s attention and friendship in return. Such a site must grow incredibly popular, that’s the way to gain its maximum popularity ever possible with all the resulting benefits. To tell you the truth, I think that’s the only right way to teach anything.
3) being skinny is also achievable rather easy. It comes from complete fasting which is also a kind of physical exercise :). Taken accurately with regard to strict medical guidelines, it’s very helpful to a variaty of problems, either spiritual or health. I recommend everyone 1 day a week without eating at all. If you can’t do it, try not-eating till 12 or till 22 o’clock. Watch the effects. And of course, no overeating on that day – fruits, no meat, no fat. And – important – no frustration! +physical exercising. 1 day is absolutely harmless for everyone. If you’re interested I’ll send you the physiological principles (when I have time:) – I’ll need to translate them). Being skinny (and healthy at the same time) – is rather a simple task, but it requires real self-discipline, more mental than of any other kind. And this practise is also a life-long journey. Combined with such exercising as Susanna’s it is going to give an outstanding effect, I guess.
4) Susanna, your accent reminds Russian, but I saw your reply in Czech. I am just wondering occasionally which is it actually? :)
Marina, 31, Russia

Milk has a lot of fat which we need to control our intake of it, limit yourself.

I drink a lot of whole milk every night before I go to bed, its no big deal if you lift weights everyday and eat whole foods (not the supermaket) The trick is to eat like you live off the land and work out like a bodybuilder. You dont need protein shakes or supplements or any of the garbage. You have to eat lean, be consistent and make sure you get a solid nights rest. Then repeat and watch how you get the results you want. I’ve been working out for three years only and I’m basically a male version of this chick

Wow very nice article …I was wondering when someone would mention GOAT MILK….

GOAT MILK … the only Milk one should have PERIOD.

Please stay away from all other milk because it’s
NOT GOOD FOR YOU…

yes even skim.. 2 percent, 1 percent milk IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU….ask a Nutritionist.

ASK a Naturopathic Doctor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathy

after i started to drink only goat milk all the Phlegm and my nasal passages cleared up…

http://Nutrapathic.com
Application for Organic, Transitional, Sustainable and Convention Farming

Thank you

hey thats maltese milk right?

GOAT MILK … the only Milk one should have PERIOD.

Please stay away from all other milk because it’s
NOT GOOD FOR YOU…

yes even skim.. 2 percent, 1 percent milk IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU….ask a Nutritionist.

ASK a Naturopathic Doctor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathy

after i started to drink only goat milk all the Phlegm and my nasal passages cleared up…

http://Nutrapathic.com
Application for Organic, Transitional, Sustainable and Convention Farming

Thank you

you look stunning =D.. i love youuuuuu

In today’s society there is a lot of information… meat is bad, meat is good, broccoli has protein, people need to eat meat to get protein because vegetarians are deficient in it, milk is good and milk is bad.

At the end of the day, just look at all the info and make your own decisions and be happy with them.

Trying to convince people about one food ideology over the next is like trying to argue about politics or religion. It causes much pain to those who stand strongly behind their beliefs and it’s an un-winable battle.

I’ve drinking unpasteurized goats milk as my recovery drink after my high intensity workouts every day. Since I’ve started my allergies have gone away and I used to have really bad dry eyes, but that’s gone away also.

For an in-depth nutritional profile click here: Goat’s Milk.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrientprofile&dbid=56

If you are going to rely on wikipedia for reliable information on nutrition, you are already off to a bad start. Whole is NOT bad for you. It is a natural product that comes from cows. What IS NOT natural is a cow that would be producing a low fat milk. There is no such thing as a low fat cow. Everything we put into our bodies today is either a death warrant or a miracle cure. I drink whole milk on a daily basis, and I can guarantee you that my body fat percentage rivals this woman’s blog, if not you can look at my website for yourself. Anything other milk besides whole milk has been processed to remove the fat, which is an unnatural process. Saturated fat is a NECESSARY part of ones diet. You need fats and cholesterol to survive. If you feel like challenging this statement, then by all means try to sustain a healthy living style while eliminating all saturated fat from your diet. Your liver and your brain will be thrilled…

Comment to Tina:
To make a statement that any animal would drink milk out in the wild of another animal, isn’t that fair a statement to make against natural design.

Animals have been known to eat what is given to them as means of survival in the company of humans (Grilled chicken, milk, snickers, popcorn) Does that mean they are designed to eat it? No.

And if you want to make the claim that because there are capable of eating it, then it is okay for humans to consume it. Dogs have been known to eat their own feces and monkeys eat their own sperm. Does that mean we should make that a regular part of our diet? No.

Comment to Allana:
Milk has addictive properties to it that make it enjoyable for a baby to get a high almost from the milk, so that the baby will continue to consume it. So I can see why people are almost addicted to cheese and other dairy products, but if you really think about it

( What is cows milk designed to do?)
Its to take a baby calf and make it gain hundreds of pounds till it becomes an adult cow. Just think about how those types of hormones effect humans. Humans would invariably gain weight from the milk.
It not designed to make cows grow to have super intelligence like humans. Our intelligence is of our own genetic makeup.

(What came first, intelligence or meat consumption?)

If you want to argue eating animals and dairy made us intelligent, then how was the first man who did it intelligent? The first man who was smart enough to start hunting animals, the first man who tried to milk a cow, the first man who decided to cook meat over a fire he created.

Here’s food for though. If milk is so healthy and the right way to go. Why do big companies keep putting out campaigns for milk?

3-a-day

Got Milk?

Why arn’t these companies doing the same for something like broccoli or carrots?

Its because corporate industries know that it isn’t right for the body. They understand its addictive properties and they have to continue using propaganda to keep the nation in the belief loop that milk is good for them and they keep getting money to fuel bigger factory farms.

So parents continue to feed their kids milk and they continue to drink milk. All because they believe that its going to give them strong bones. Look at the majority of old women in the USA. What is one of the top ailments that these milk drinking women have? Osteoporosis.

You didn’t even mentionned Calcium ??!!!

hi,
do u think it’s better to drink soy milk than cow milk?
thank you!

I’m from north america and people are always shocked when I say I don’t really drink it. think about it we are the ONLY species that drinks milk as adults and we are the ONLY species that drinks other animals milk. dairy is not necessary.

If you are interested in reading a personal milk related story read this. If not skip it because there is not any medical facts or scientific explanations in this writing.

All I have to go on is my own experience with cows milk and that of a few relatives. Drinking cows milk almost cost me the life of my baby girl.
During my first pregnancy, I drank cows milk. My daughter was born and I breastfed her nearly to death! She became very sick and was hospitalized at 5 days old. The doctors could not figure out what was wrong and kept her for 1 week on an IV. She gained weight and seemed better, but was still vomitting when they sent her home with me. I happened to bump into a woman in the baby isle with my baby. The woman took one look at her and asked “Has she been sick?” She then asked if I had been drinking cows milk and quickly alerted me to stop immediately (stop all cow milk products!) and to supplement her with goats milk in-between feedings. I decided to follow her direction since the doctors didn’t know what to do and my baby was beginning to loose weight again.
Miraculously, my baby made huge leaps and bounds when I switched to soy and rice milks/cheeses and gave her bits of goats milk. She became very healthy and the vomitting ceased completely! At her next follow up appointment with the doctor, it was noted by the nurse and Doc, my baby was “lactose intolerant” and suggested I stay away from milk. Note that they didn’t know what was wrong until AFTER I told them about the lady in the store and the switch. My daughter could not drink cows milk until she was 5 years old without feeling sick.
My next 3 children I had with Mid-Wives who automatically advise that while pregnant and nursing mothers stay clear of dairy. Soy, Rice and Goat milks are fine. Easy enough with my two middle children, who both were able to drink cows milk at 1 years old, without any problems, although I do still give them soy milk. but this last baby I have had has been a struggle. I crave cows milk more than anything! I stay away from it as much as possible, but have noticed that if I do have even 1/4 cup of it, my 8 month old baby will “spit-up” for the next 12-24 hours. Evn if I have 1 bite of icecream, she will spit up 4 hours later. So, I finally made it 2 months without touching dairy; she had not ONE spit-up episode and then 1 days ago, I had 2 swallows of cows milk, and she has been spitting up ever since. Oops. No more that’s for sure.
Another thing that I have seen with cows milk is that for those people in my family who discontinued dairy products all together, have became free of allergies (which they suffered from throughout their whole lives till then) and they began to look better as well. One example is my Aunt who is now 63. She was suffering from hay feaver, pet allergies, pollen allergies, dust etc. She ate healthy and exercised daily. When she turned 55 she began an experiment and cut dairy out of her diet. Within 3 weeks she said that her allergies weren’t as bad and she no longer needed to take medication. After 1 year she said her allergies were completely GONE! She also suddenly started looking amazing! Her skin was smoother and brighter, her hair was shinier and thicker, her eyes were bright without any redness, her body traded in the “bulkiness” for a more lean look and she had more energy! The only change she had made to acomplish this was eliminating dairy out of her diet!
Her sisters followed suit after seeing her results. 2 out of 5 were able to stick with it and have seen the same results!

Now if only I could stay away from dairy! :-)

Interesting to note that you have been in Malta for some time as I noticed BENNA milk in your hands and also Maltese Water, besides I believe you did a workout in one of Malta’s bays.

Do you live here or were over here for a holiday?

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I have never bring a big milk drinker. I love water and I love my morning coffee before my workout. :) I did use to buy skim milk for my breakfast cereal but now I use Almond Milk because I have heard that it is better for my digestive system and it’s lower calorie. 20 calories per half cup!

Also, I have been meaning to ask if you could post more recipes or do you mind if we share our healthy recipes? I love cooking for my family and I’m cooking healthy all the time but it would be nice to have some simple recipes for say lunch time when my husband is at work and I really don’t have time to cook. :)

I believe the Asian populations eat far less soy than those who experience problems from it. I don’t recall seeing a bunch of soy milk, tofu burgers, etc over in SE Asia.

Soy is the last thing we want to eat if being lean and muscular is our goal.

I very recently cut dairy out of my diet as an experiment and within 3 days a very stubborn acne flair up I had been battling cleared up, and stayed clear. For that reason alone I have decided to treat dairy as a treat not a staple. Thinking about it that way has saved me from overindulging on icecream (if nothing else) and from adding useless extra calories by putting cheese on everything. It has only been two weeks, so I’ll let you know how it goes.

I love milk. Growing up I drank only 2% because that’s what my parents gave me but when I went to college I learned a bit more about the calories and switched to fat free skim. I’m a very healthy weight, work out regularly, and am in my own opinion among the healthiest people I know (even though I drink cow milk on a regular basis). I have visited farms and besides the smell the places I’ve never experienced anything horrifying. Anything can be bad for you if you have too much of it. If you forbid yourself to enjoy the things that you love just for diets sake I promise that your diets will likely not last very long. Watch your intake and don’t overconsume; workout regularly and if your trying to lose weight then make sure you burn more than you consume daily. There are far worse things than milk out there to get us. As for the “problem” that humans are the only animals that drink milk after childhood, I don’t see how that has anything to do with it. Humans are the only animals to do a lot of things, we cook our meat before we eat it too. Does that mean I should start eating my meat raw and uncleaned like animals too? I don’t think so.

I bought into the idea that milk was not for human consumption after childhood, as I read in Harvey Diamond’s Fit For Life book. But later I discovered Proverbs 27:27 in the Holy Bible says: “And thou shalt have goats’ milk enough for thy food, for the food of thy household, and for the maintenance for thy maidens.” Now I will only drink Raw goats’ milk, and I feel the vitality it provides. If you do some nutritional research on the internet about raw goats’ milk, you’ll see it has much to offer.

I’m curious as to whether or not you might make an article comparing the different types of milk- rice, almond, soy, cow, goat, hemp(personally I find hemp tastes better than almond or soy but I don’t know about health). Thanks for the information, this is a very interesting site

I drink skim milk just about every day. There was a routine for me and my brother when I was little: Every afternoon at lunch mom would ask, “Would you like juice or milk?” Juice hurt my tummy so I had milk every day – more than once if I could! I agree, moderation is key – my drinking glasses have a decoration on them that comes right to the 8 oz. mark, so I can pour myself a glass of milk without getting too much! Try to find some good glasses with a little design, and it might help moderate your beverages!

Cheers :)

This is very interesting. I think I might give it a try.

HAHAHA!

Cows milk is produced for cows. Therefore cows should drink it, not us.
It also contains lots of pus. Next time you drink a glass of milk, just think about all the pus you’re drinking.
Yuuummmmm…

Since I discovered almonds milk, soy or cow milk are not in my diet anymore!

You should all try it, and you can even make your own, it’s easy ;) and healthy :) …and good !

I had stopped drinking milk for years, but when I started working as a nanny grabbing a glass of milk became an easy way to curb hunger and quench thirst. The problem was that the family only drank whole milk and I was adding about two cups a day into my diet. Now I am gradually returning to the low-fat milk I used before.

Do you use it in coffees and teas? I do like smoothies too lol!

Right now I have two types the soy and skim milk I have in cereal, I don’t drink it often I have iit in my teas though. What would recommend Soy or skim milk?

I love milk. I drink 1 glass each day or I eat one bowl with low fat yogurt. Love it.